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That logic is somewhat flawed. Let's say I own a toll road and I charge 5$ for one car to pass. If someone wanted to bring large semi truck carrying tons of hazardous material I should have the right to charge him more than I would an average car. With the laws of net neutrality I have no right to charge him extra and he is entitled to pass for the simple 5$ fee as well, even though his load taxes my road much more heavily and carries with it significantly higher risk.

It's the exact same scenario with net neutrality really. Substitute Verizon's network for the road. You don't own Verizon's network. They do. They allow you to use it for a fee. You use it on their terms. If you don't agree to their terms no one is preventing you from finding a different network.


Your logic is flawed. That semi carrying waste is not a car.

Regardless, what Verizon wants to be allowed to sell as internet access is controlled content delivery. They don't want to sell internet access, they want to control/deny access to competing content.

Thus they aren't selling internet access, but want mislead the public in thinking it is internet access. That's my problem with content providers who are also "internet service providers."
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Here's a better analogy:

Verizon is like FedEx, UPS or any other shipping company. If you ship one parcel with a Samsung hard drive, and one parcel with a WD hard drive, are they allowed to charge you differently based on what the parcel contains? No. It's none of their business whether it's a WD, Samsung, Hitachi, or Seagate hard drive. What they can charge you for is the weight (and I guess distance but distance hardly plays a role in this case). So if you use lots of traffic, they could charge you more. Whether it's fair is up to debate, same as with postage.
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Here's a better analogy:

Verizon is like FedEx, UPS or any other shipping company. If you ship one parcel with a Samsung hard drive, and one parcel with a WD hard drive, are they allowed to charge you differently based on what the parcel contains? No. It's none of their business whether it's a WD, Samsung, Hitachi, or Seagate hard drive. What they can charge you for is the weight (and I guess distance but distance hardly plays a role in this case). So if you use lots of traffic, they could charge you more. Whether it's fair is up to debate, same as with postage.
Then they should provide networks that have the capability to sustain the traffic they sold to consumers. If the ISP's were to start spending money on infrastructure upgrades and not just pocketing my money, I might support such a move. But they're getting paid PLENTY for the crappy connection I have, and they want to charge more because I actually use it?
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And next thing we know, the internet will be censored.
It already is, dont forget about wikileaks.
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It already is, dont forget about wikileaks.
What's that got to do with this?
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This analogy doesn't work. The ISP would be the waitress that delivers the food to the customers. The food (internet content) is the product, the customer is the still the customer and the waitress (the ISP's network) is the means by which the food is delivered to the customer. A customer ordering more food places a larger burden on the waitress thus she is compensated to a greater degree with a higher tip.
This is how it currently works. You pay more for a better service. Faster speeds, more data, higher price.

That's how it should stay, but I do agree that not having the infrastructure to support your customers, while still overcharging them for a service they can barely support, is downright bad business.
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Then they should provide networks that have the capability to sustain the traffic they sold to consumers. If the ISP's were to start spending money on infrastructure upgrades and not just pocketing my money, I might support such a move. But they're getting paid PLENTY for the crappy connection I have, and they want to charge more because I actually use it?
I know, I just provided a better analogy to portray the ISP's role. It's like paying premium for priority shipping and then ending up getting the regular service.

I wasn't defending ISP's, or at least I tried not to.
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The toll road isn't the internet, it's their network. They OWN the network. They built and invested in it. They have the right to determine what passes through it.


What exactly do you disagree with? Do you think we have the right to determine what Verizon allows to pass through their networks? Is that the way you think it should work?
They didnt build OCN, they have no right to say that i cant view material from certain websites, you pay for internet access, not limited internet access that will be chosen based on a decision from someone that you dont even know.
    
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Love the guys on here that want to say they are going to get screwed by the ISPs if the government didn't step in?

Funny I dont remember anyone on OCN ranting about their ISP throttling anything but bit-torrents. All I hear is "what ifs" nobody's saying this has helped them with their ISP.

So now that its has been brought to light that ISPs could do that people are up in arms. Haven't seen any ISPs under investigation for this etc. since its been passed so clearly its another law that regulates a problem that isn't there.

Sorry guys we have a free market and it works. If Verizon wants to screw you then leave and find the company that wont. Sure it will cost YOU money to switch but then again, maybe you think the FCC works for free.
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Love the guys on here that want to say they are going to get screwed by the ISPs if the government didn't step in?

Funny I dont remember anyone on OCN ranting about their ISP throttling anything but bit-torrents. All I hear is "what ifs" nobody's saying this has helped them with their ISP.

So now that its has been brought to light that ISPs could do that people are up in arms. Haven't seen any ISPs under investigation for this etc. since its been passed so clearly its another law that regulates a problem that isn't there.

Sorry guys we have a free market and it works. If Verizon wants to screw you then leave and find the company that wont. Sure it will cost YOU money to switch but then again, maybe you think the FCC works for free.
^How's that rock you've been living under?

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