Originally Posted by Ckaz
Ahh it seems I'm back to my stage of indecision.
I've been reading a lot about the HD 650's infamous veil. It seems like something that would really prove detrimental to my listening. Sure, I like the silk-like smoothness that comes with the 650's, and though warmth tends to be my primary preference, detail is still of utmost importance to me.
There's something about hearing a guitarist's fingers go to work, or hear a vocalists intake of breath brought into such detail.. it makes me shiver with eargasmic pleasure.
I've shifted my preferences from the 650's to the Denon AH-D5000's. It seems that the Denon line excels at finding that balance between warmth and accuracy.
This however proves a problem because I was looking at a tube amp, and it seems to me that a mid-budget tube amp would just add too much coloration to the headphones while also being under powered. I've got a used Woo Audio 3 that I'm able to get for $420 shipped, and I had plans to order it today.
I'm now seriously re-considering. Instead, maybe I buy the D5000's for $400 off amazon and run them through my EMU 0404 headphone amp until I can afford a high end SS amp.
What do you guys think?
From experiencing my HD650s all the way from onboard, to a sound card, to soundcard + amp, and finally dac + amp, I can say the veil is extremely over-hyped. The closest thing I've experienced that I would even remotely call a veil is when I upgraded the cable. Everything had a bit more detail and clarity, but that is to be expected from an after market cable anyway. If you're really worried, check Head-fi or Audiogon for used 650s with an upgraded cable. They can usually be had for $400 +/-. Denon D5000s are D2000s with a new cable and wood cups, just fyi. Also, remember that closed back will have a more dense sound with a smaller sound stage. Generally a wider sound stage will help you perceive more detail.
In terms of the Woo, I'd recommend skipping the WA3. $420 isn't really that great of a price considering it is only $495 new. Save up a little longer and go for a WA6, it's worth every penny over a WA3. Detail is also completely dependent on the tubes used. I'm not familiar with 6922/6DJ8 but with the WA6 you can use 6SN7 which are pretty much top of the line in terms of drive tubes.