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I'm not sure sly know what the onkyo does in this scenario.
    
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Did you get the LD IV. How you liking it?
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I'm still waiting on finding it used actually. I've decided to give it about a week more, and if I still don't come across it in the condition that I want and with the price that I want, I'll just take the plunge and buy new. It will likely clean me out, but I've always been fascinated by burn-in, so this will give me a chance to experience it first hand.

And btw, I've decided on the MK IV SE. Whether I get the MK IV SE or just the MK IV, I still won't have enough to but the transport anytime soon, and since I've got the money, I figure I might as well.

Once I have it though I'll be sure to let you know, likely in the form of a review. I appreciate your interest!
    
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Ahh it seems I'm back to my stage of indecision.

I've been reading a lot about the HD 650's infamous veil. It seems like something that would really prove detrimental to my listening. Sure, I like the silk-like smoothness that comes with the 650's, and though warmth tends to be my primary preference, detail is still of utmost importance to me.
There's something about hearing a guitarist's fingers go to work, or hear a vocalists intake of breath brought into such detail.. it makes me shiver with eargasmic pleasure.

I've shifted my preferences from the 650's to the Denon AH-D5000's. It seems that the Denon line excels at finding that balance between warmth and accuracy.
This however proves a problem because I was looking at a tube amp, and it seems to me that a mid-budget tube amp would just add too much coloration to the headphones while also being under powered. I've got a used Woo Audio 3 that I'm able to get for $420 shipped, and I had plans to order it today.
I'm now seriously re-considering. Instead, maybe I buy the D5000's for $400 off amazon and run them through my EMU 0404 headphone amp until I can afford a high end SS amp.

What do you guys think?
    
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Ahh it seems I'm back to my stage of indecision.

I've been reading a lot about the HD 650's infamous veil. It seems like something that would really prove detrimental to my listening. Sure, I like the silk-like smoothness that comes with the 650's, and though warmth tends to be my primary preference, detail is still of utmost importance to me.
There's something about hearing a guitarist's fingers go to work, or hear a vocalists intake of breath brought into such detail.. it makes me shiver with eargasmic pleasure.

I've shifted my preferences from the 650's to the Denon AH-D5000's. It seems that the Denon line excels at finding that balance between warmth and accuracy.
This however proves a problem because I was looking at a tube amp, and it seems to me that a mid-budget tube amp would just add too much coloration to the headphones while also being under powered. I've got a used Woo Audio 3 that I'm able to get for $420 shipped, and I had plans to order it today.
I'm now seriously re-considering. Instead, maybe I buy the D5000's for $400 off amazon and run them through my EMU 0404 headphone amp until I can afford a high end SS amp.

What do you guys think?
From experiencing my HD650s all the way from onboard, to a sound card, to soundcard + amp, and finally dac + amp, I can say the veil is extremely over-hyped. The closest thing I've experienced that I would even remotely call a veil is when I upgraded the cable. Everything had a bit more detail and clarity, but that is to be expected from an after market cable anyway. If you're really worried, check Head-fi or Audiogon for used 650s with an upgraded cable. They can usually be had for $400 +/-. Denon D5000s are D2000s with a new cable and wood cups, just fyi. Also, remember that closed back will have a more dense sound with a smaller sound stage. Generally a wider sound stage will help you perceive more detail.

In terms of the Woo, I'd recommend skipping the WA3. $420 isn't really that great of a price considering it is only $495 new. Save up a little longer and go for a WA6, it's worth every penny over a WA3. Detail is also completely dependent on the tubes used. I'm not familiar with 6922/6DJ8 but with the WA6 you can use 6SN7 which are pretty much top of the line in terms of drive tubes.
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Again, from the reviews I've read, the Denon's just seem to match my preferences a lot more closely then the 650's. I've always been a basshead at heart and from what I've heard, the bass on the Denon's are almost unequaled.
Another thing about them that I like is their mod-ability. I love being able to do mods to my things without having to take out a solder, and what with the Markl mod and the Jmoney pads, I'll have plenty of options. Then, when I'm finally bored of that I can upgrade the cable.
With the 650's, the cable is the extent of the upgrades that I can do.

The Denon's will also be more versatile with amps. I can start off with a mid-fi SS amp that will bring out more detail and help with the soundstage a bit. Then, later I can upgrade to a high-end tube amp (WA6 SE) that can properly power the Denon's (most mid-fi tube amps can't).
On the other hand, I find SS amps with the 650's to be relatively boring which only leaves me with the tube option.

WA6 really isn't a possibility because I don't get large amounts of money all too often. I just recently passed my birthday and a few holidays, hence my recent influx of funds. Saving up for the WA6 wouldn't be a matter of weeks, more like a matter of months and I'm simply don't have the patience anymore for that.

When I'm finally ready for a change, I can reconsider the 650's as I'll finally have the equipment to make them shine off the bat, instead of having to build a system around the them like I had planned to.
    
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