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[Android Police] Oracle vs Google: It's not looking good for Android

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If Oracle were to win this suit at trial, almost every application for Android would become an infringing piece of software. This isn’t the sort of thing that makes developers or manufacturers feel secure about the Android platform. Google would likely be forced to pay a hefty sum for lost profits to Oracle, and handset manufacturers would probably start having to pay licensing fees (essentially, a royalty), whether to Google as an Android licensing fee or directly to Oracle, since that’s where it would end up anyways. Google would also become subject to using that software under Oracle’s licensing terms.

This means higher phone prices, and might scare manufacturers into spending more time with alternative mobile operating systems. Developers would probably also have to comply with an Oracle licensing agreement.
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Anyone with some knowledge of how this stuff works want to say how accurate this is? Or maybe how easy it would be for google to rewrite the files without, you know, copying them (if that's what they did)

Edit: Update with new info

Interesting new development

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All the fuss, all the hysteria, and most importantly all the cries against Google proclaiming them as thieves aren't what they seem. There are two sets of files in question -- a series of seven (PolicyNodeImpl.java, AclEntryImpl.java, AclImpl.java, GroupImpl.java, OwnerImpl.java, PermissionImpl.java, and PrincipalImpl.java) that contain proprietary code from Sun, and do exist, but they are in the unit test area of the AOSP source tree. This means they are only used to test software after it's built, and before it's shipped. To be clear -- these files are not used to build Android, nor are the shipped with Android. To take things a step further, these files were published by Sun on their own website to assist developers to test and debug -- exactly what Google is using them for.

The other 37 files exist as well, but are inside a zip file in an area of the source tree used for one particular audio chipset. These files look like they were uploaded by mistake, and also aren't used to build Android or ship with any Android devices. These will probably just be deleted from the tree, as they don't do anything.
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I'm personally not a big fan of Android at the moment, it sucks as a gaming platform and besides ringing/texting/internet that's all I want from my phone.

With that said, it would be a real shame if this were to happen. I was hoping Android would be of some use to me in the future with all these high powered phones coming out, I was hoping they would utilise the hardware for some decent gaming apps. I'm rooting for Android on this one.

Several variants of this story have been posted already, so you may get some news nazi's coming in here and screaming at you.
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At first I was very apprehensive in using an Android phone and even avoid using Google as much as I can. But after using Android I've come to see it's quite nice and I'd like to see it getting ported to PC's, as it's just another iteration of Linux, albeit with a layer developed by Google and optimisations for phones.

I do believe that if Google copied code, which they have almost admitted to, by claiming Sun sat on the suit for too long, they deserve to be punished. That is if Sun wrote the code themselves and didn't copy or buy the patent with the sole purpose to sue their unsuspecting victims. There is nothing worse in the software industry than DRM, restrictive platforms and patent trolls.
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They should just have ran with another language. They better fix this!
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uh oh and i was getting ready to upgrade to another android device.... WP7 i think here i come.
 
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So what does this mean for current android owners??
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Not looking good? Google took the code legally from Harmony. If Harmony reverse engineered Sun's JVM thats not Google's problem.

Secondly, it Oracle does somehow win this case, the only thing that will happen is Google will have to rewrite the offending functions, which for a big company like Google should take all of 90 minutes. The app developers are infringing on nothing. That would be like if Apple sued Microsoft for reverse engineering part of their OS... would that suddenly make every Windows app ever made illegal?


I don't think Oracle can win this one though. They may be the top dog in the database world, but Google is right up there with them, and have far more influence in the world, and to make matters worse Oracle is also messing with the foundation responsible for running most of the internet.

Even if they win, I doubt it will be in their best interests. It would likely prompt Google to put more effort into Dalvik and release it as a competitor to the Sun JVM. Java is an open platform, and Google could easily use it's influence to steal "ownership" away from Oracle.
    
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Even if they win, I doubt it will be in their best interests. It would likely prompt Google to put more effort into Dalvik and release it as a competitor to the Sun JVM. Java is an open platform, and Google could easily use it's influence to steal "ownership" away from Oracle.
This. Sun JVM is only still around because no real competitor has stepped in to wrestle away control with a better JVM. Not to mention there is HTML5.
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Not looking good? Google took the code legally from Harmony. If Harmony reverse engineered Sun's JVM thats not Google's problem.

Secondly, it Oracle does somehow win this case, the only thing that will happen is Google will have to rewrite the offending functions, which for a big company like Google should take all of 90 minutes. The app developers are infringing on nothing. That would be like if Apple sued Microsoft for reverse engineering part of their OS... would that suddenly make every Windows app ever made illegal?


I don't think Oracle can win this one though. They may be the top dog in the database world, but Google is right up there with them, and have far more influence in the world, and to make matters worse Oracle is also messing with the foundation responsible for running most of the internet.

Even if they win, I doubt it will be in their best interests. It would likely prompt Google to put more effort into Dalvik and release it as a competitor to the Sun JVM. Java is an open platform, and Google could easily use it's influence to steal "ownership" away from Oracle.

Seems that this needs to be read more. Most articles I have read on the subject never mentioned this.
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Not looking good? Google took the code legally from Harmony. If Harmony reverse engineered Sun's JVM thats not Google's problem.

Secondly, it Oracle does somehow win this case, the only thing that will happen is Google will have to rewrite the offending functions, which for a big company like Google should take all of 90 minutes. The app developers are infringing on nothing. That would be like if Apple sued Microsoft for reverse engineering part of their OS... would that suddenly make every Windows app ever made illegal?


I don't think Oracle can win this one though. They may be the top dog in the database world, but Google is right up there with them, and have far more influence in the world, and to make matters worse Oracle is also messing with the foundation responsible for running most of the internet.

Even if they win, I doubt it will be in their best interests. It would likely prompt Google to put more effort into Dalvik and release it as a competitor to the Sun JVM. Java is an open platform, and Google could easily use it's influence to steal "ownership" away from Oracle.
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