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m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-directly-copied-java-code-strengthening/&category=classic&postPage=1

Look at this article. They actually show the similarities in code between android and JAVA. Shame on you android developers if u copied this for real
Edited by Saaz - 1/21/11 at 11:08am
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Java is supposed to be open, but open is only a word if it is not possible to tiptoe around the patents and copyrights in effect. This is just further proof that in the realm of technology, patent and copyright law needs reformation. The world is waiting for someone to "nail the 95 thesis to the door" and end the dark ages.

I have read that one of the things that Oracle bought Sun for was because they saw that they could grab Google by the throat and squeeze out royalties for every phone using Google's OS. It seems to be a clear case of infringement. Google could likely pay the royalties and still make money from the platform. This is just one more problem for the new Google CEO.

I now look at Meego and hope that a collaborative open source mobile OS is possible.
Edited by hajile - 1/21/11 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by IcedEarth View Post
I'm personally not a big fan of Android at the moment, it sucks as a gaming platform and besides ringing/texting/internet that's all I want from my phone.

With that said, it would be a real shame if this were to happen. I was hoping Android would be of some use to me in the future with all these high powered phones coming out, I was hoping they would utilise the hardware for some decent gaming apps. I'm rooting for Android on this one.

Several variants of this story have been posted already, so you may get some news nazi's coming in here and screaming at you.
I don't see any :/

If it has, let someone merge this, or post a link and I'll PM a mod or something

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Originally Posted by SpykeZ View Post
So what does this mean for current android owners??
Not sure it means anything.

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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
Not looking good? Google took the code legally from Harmony. If Harmony reverse engineered Sun's JVM thats not Google's problem.

Secondly, it Oracle does somehow win this case, the only thing that will happen is Google will have to rewrite the offending functions, which for a big company like Google should take all of 90 minutes. The app developers are infringing on nothing. That would be like if Apple sued Microsoft for reverse engineering part of their OS... would that suddenly make every Windows app ever made illegal?


I don't think Oracle can win this one though. They may be the top dog in the database world, but Google is right up there with them, and have far more influence in the world, and to make matters worse Oracle is also messing with the foundation responsible for running most of the internet.

Even if they win, I doubt it will be in their best interests. It would likely prompt Google to put more effort into Dalvik and release it as a competitor to the Sun JVM. Java is an open platform, and Google could easily use it's influence to steal "ownership" away from Oracle.
Interesting post. However, at least in the article I posted, they were thinking that the code that was taken wasn't in Harmony. Not sure if that's all speculation or what.
    
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Always funny to see the big guys duke it out.
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I don't see any :/

If it has, let someone merge this, or post a link and I'll PM a mod or something



Not sure it means anything.



Interesting post. However, at least in the article I posted, they were thinking that the code that was taken wasn't in Harmony. Not sure if that's all speculation or what.
Google's FIRST response to the first patent Oracle is accusing them of infringing was that they took it from Harmony which is open-source. They haven't yet responded to the rest, or so that's what I got out of it.
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Interesting new development

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All the fuss, all the hysteria, and most importantly all the cries against Google proclaiming them as thieves aren't what they seem. There are two sets of files in question -- a series of seven (PolicyNodeImpl.java, AclEntryImpl.java, AclImpl.java, GroupImpl.java, OwnerImpl.java, PermissionImpl.java, and PrincipalImpl.java) that contain proprietary code from Sun, and do exist, but they are in the unit test area of the AOSP source tree. This means they are only used to test software after it's built, and before it's shipped. To be clear -- these files are not used to build Android, nor are the shipped with Android. To take things a step further, these files were published by Sun on their own website to assist developers to test and debug -- exactly what Google is using them for.

The other 37 files exist as well, but are inside a zip file in an area of the source tree used for one particular audio chipset. These files look like they were uploaded by mistake, and also aren't used to build Android or ship with any Android devices. These will probably just be deleted from the tree, as they don't do anything.
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Oracle see's potential in Andriod OS and wants a piece of the action.

Just like how Cisco sued Apple for the iPhone name. Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
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Not looking good? Google took the code legally from Harmony. If Harmony reverse engineered Sun's JVM thats not Google's problem.

Secondly, it Oracle does somehow win this case, the only thing that will happen is Google will have to rewrite the offending functions, which for a big company like Google should take all of 90 minutes. The app developers are infringing on nothing. That would be like if Apple sued Microsoft for reverse engineering part of their OS... would that suddenly make every Windows app ever made illegal?


I don't think Oracle can win this one though. They may be the top dog in the database world, but Google is right up there with them, and have far more influence in the world, and to make matters worse Oracle is also messing with the foundation responsible for running most of the internet.

Even if they win, I doubt it will be in their best interests. It would likely prompt Google to put more effort into Dalvik and release it as a competitor to the Sun JVM. Java is an open platform, and Google could easily use it's influence to steal "ownership" away from Oracle.
Actually, it IS Google's problem, regardless of where they obtained the code. Legally, Oracle can sue anyone who is infringing, and it would be up to the infringer to file suit against any persons who did them wrong to get them that false code in the first place. I'd imagine if Google paid for the code while assuming it was created by Harmony, then they'd want to sue Harmony to recover some or all of their losses from this lawsuit. Or, if they bough Harmony out (I don't know the situation between the two companies), then they'd sue the prior owners of Harmony.

Also, it's not as simple as recoding the OS. Yes, that would be part of the judgement requirement (or pay licensing/royalty fees), but since they have already made sales with these files in place, Oracle still has a legitimate claim to part of those sales. They'll likely settle for a few hundred million and call it a day.

With the new information brought forth in the OP, I doubt Oracle will win the lawsuit. But you never know...
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This was meant to stir negative reactions toward Google, and if they got lucky steal some money

Nothing will happen, because nothing was done

Jeez Oracle, we hate you already
    
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http://www.overclock.net/software-ne...ode-found.html

One or both of these threads should be moved to the rumors section.
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