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1) more heatpipes, denser fin array, twin fans, and generally better looking. Or, just look at the numbers... it's consistently the top performer. Reference cooling design, forget it!

2) It can be the same or different. The only thing that the reference design offers is stability and minimal R&D since there's nothing that was changed. All the testing and validation was done by AMD or NVIDIA, and you just copy that layout and make your own. If there's errors you can easily test against reference board... hence the name "reference board".

Non-reference design can be one of two categories: cost-down, or performance. Cost-down might have smaller, less critical components taken out to reduce manufacturing (and selling) cost, and performance such as our Hawk series introduces unique features that make the board unique.
    
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I would never buy a MSI product ever again. I built a custom pc for a friend of mine and decided to go with a msi board...would run one stick of ram fine but try to run 2 in dual channel...death to board, thought maybe it was just a bad board....same problem with new one....got another one, same problem...went with asus....no worries. Now granted its not a video card but if they put the same quality in their cards as they do their mb then it pretty much speaks for itself.
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Non-reference design can be one of two categories: cost-down, or performance. Cost-down might have smaller, less critical components taken out to reduce manufacturing (and selling) cost, and performance such as our Hawk series introduces unique features that make the board unique.
Are you implying that the Hawk cards are the only ones that are oriented for performance rather than cost-efficiency?
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Are you implying that the Hawk cards are the only ones that are oriented for performance rather than cost-efficiency?
Uh, no.

I'm just stating what the term "non-reference" means and encompasses.

If it's possible to produce a non-reference board with better components at the same cost, wouldn't that be a benefit to all users?
    
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hmmmm what is the benefit of the twin frozen III design besides better cooling??...I dont mind the noise(I have headphones), but can they unlock shaders and have voltage control for OC potential??
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You keep stating you guys make your own stuff, would you care to elaborate? I just bought a reference msi 6950. You're saying that wasnt built by AMD and just had your logo slapped on on it? Where (geographically) are your components built? As far as I know MSI (and all other partners) don't have anything of their own to build, you use amd and nvidia chipsets and their designs. So do you mean while many partners just buy completed products and label/sell them as their own, you guys buy chipsets, gpu cores, memory etc and a pcb and build it in your own factory? and if so, like I asked above, where?
    
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I would never buy a MSI product ever again. I built a custom pc for a friend of mine and decided to go with a msi board...would run one stick of ram fine but try to run 2 in dual channel...death to board, thought maybe it was just a bad board....same problem with new one....got another one, same problem...went with asus....no worries. Now granted its not a video card but if they put the same quality in their cards as they do their mb then it pretty much speaks for itself.
Hahahaha!Don't you know on all modern motherboards RAM is controlled by the CPU?
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You keep stating you guys make your own stuff, would you care to elaborate? I just bought a reference msi 6950. You're saying that wasnt built by AMD and just had your logo slapped on on it?
The chip in the center of the board was made by AMD. Everything thing else is made by some one else.


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Where (geographically) are your components built? As far as I know MSI (and all other partners) don't have anything of their own to build, you use amd and nvidia chipsets and their designs.
Where the components are built is based on there suppliers. For example a Samsung memory chip might have been made in korea.
If they use Nvidias / AMDs design it is a reference card
If they modify the design to make it cheaper and/or better its called Non-reference

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So do you mean while many partners just buy completed products and label/sell them as their own, you guys buy chipsets, gpu cores, memory etc and a pcb and build it in your own factory? and if so, like I asked above, where?
Yes they do buy the parts and assemble it. I can imagine that they may print there own PCB or something (Im not sure)

They are made in Taiwan
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Hi Alex

Could you explain to me how graphics drivers work and if it's possible for a person to build some on their own? I know Linux might be involved or something

Also, what causes the glitches that sometimes plague drivers and how can one avoid these pitfalls? Specifically, ones that cause performance loss or not allowing the pc itself to boot?

I haven't updated since the 9.12's so I'm looking to have my paranoia soothed
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Hahahaha!Don't you know on all modern motherboards RAM is controlled by the CPU?
Yes, but the traces and power is supplied by the motherboard, not the CPU.

Still room for a bad mobo design.
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