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Originally Posted by FearSC549;12107902 
I done that once, and will never do it again. Sounds worse than $10 speakers. PORT CHUFFFFFFF & BASS FARTS

Also Promedia 2.1 > Z-2300
In terms of sound quality.

Sound quality is very subjective and varies from person to person. I love that you like Promedia over Z-2300. Be happy.smile.gif

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Originally Posted by FearSC549;12107902 
I have measured the Z-2300 sub's specs. It is nearly identical to W8-670Q's specs, both t/s parameters and frequency response.

I am quoting from my review: "Normally people confuse this bass driver as used in Z-680, Z-2200 & Z-2300 with the Tang Band W8-670Q model. Though both units look near identical, Z-2300’s bass driver is different from the W8-670Q in the rear section. It became absolutely certain when my friend’s Z-2300 bass driver went dead and I have to personally contact TangBand via email to ask the model of the driver used in Z-2300 & its price. I also send them the above pictures of the driver to help them identify. To my surprise, they replied after inspecting the pictures sent to them, that this bass driver do not belong to them or in any way or represent any one of their models. But they did agree that they supplied W8-670C drivers for Z-560. So, you see Z-680, Z-2200 & Z-2300 are not TangBands. Prior, I was also the victim of this case."
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Originally Posted by RishiGuru;12107963 
You do not get my point ljason8eg. A system with 200 watts of FTC rated power costing a mere $110 is going to have 10% THD at full volume.

FTC does not allow more than 10% THD under full volume. Again taking the example of Z-2300, under full volume 200W power it has 10%THD but under normal listening circumstances which tends to be under 75% vol at 120 watts[Z-2300 amplifier starts to clip from here] the System THD of Z-2300 is less than 0.05% which is quite good for a PC speaker. Not to mention class leading >100db signal to noise ratio.

Your point is why Z-2300 was not electrically limited to produce 120W @ 0.05%THD instead of 200W @ 10%THD. Am I right?

Unfortunately at least for PC Speakers power figures have a huge impact on their sales. So if you want 0.05%THD from Z-2300, never go beyond 75% volume. It is that simple.

So wait, you just admitted the 200w spec is a lie didn't you? Why were you touting it as a selling point before then?

0.05% THD at what frequency by the way? Not the bass, that's for sure. Sounds like mud. In fact, I don't think that number is true no matter what frequency we're talking about.
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Originally Posted by RishiGuru;12107963 
ljason8eg, I find a lot of negativity in all your comments. Try to look at a glass half full even if it is half empty.

Not negativity, just stating my opinion based on past experience with crappy Logitech speakers. You also dodged my question. You wouldn't trust an audio website to tell you what motherboard and CPU to get so why would you trust a computer hardware site to tell you what speakers to buy? That makes zero sense.
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post #13 of 43
Z-2300 + Dayton B652 + bass knob turned 1/4 = Pretty decent system.
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post #14 of 43
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg;12108021 
So wait, you just admitted the 200w spec is a lie didn't you? Why were you touting it as a selling point before then?

No, the Z-2300 makes 200W FTC rated power @ 10% THD

But if you want to listen to acceptable level of sound quality, better keep the volume down to 75% which will produce in the region of 120W @ 0.05% THD.
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg;12108021 
0.05% THD at what frequency by the way?

0.05% THD at 1 kHz.
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg;12108021 
In fact, I don't think that number is true no matter what frequency we're talking about.

If you are stuck with a preconceived idea, then there is nothing to talk about. The case ends here.
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg;12108021 
Not negativity, just stating my opinion based on past experience with crappy Logitech speakers. You also dodged my question. You wouldn't trust an audio website to tell you what motherboard and CPU to get so why would you trust a computer hardware site to tell you what speakers to buy? That makes zero sense.

The audiophile websites that you are talking about do not do objective tests on PC Speakers below $200. If they do kindly provide the link here.

Tom'sHardware quote: "Most PC speaker reviews are limited to subjective opinions. While those are quite useful, this is Tom’s Hardware. We’re going to try to go a little deeper than that with some objective measurements, too. Our measurements are taken with a calibrated Apex 220 measurement microphone that has a phantom power supplied by TubeMP preamp. The measurement software we use is TrueRTA audio-spectrum analyzer level 4, found at www.trueaudio.com. Testing is done in a 25’x15’ room with the microphone pointed upward 30” from the satellites and subwoofer .................................. Nevertheless, since the speakers were meticulously placed and aimed in the same manner as the other test subjects, we have to consider these dips and pay extra attention when we test the speakers subjectively."

Look why I am telling that your comments have a lot of negativity. You never found the good in that they took the pain of using good quality testing & measuring instruments to do this test which happens to be their positive side, but amply pointed out that :
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Originally Posted by ljason8eg;12107700 
They even admitted they didn't have a proper room to test them........................

which happens to be the only chink in their armor.

I always think positively. At least they tried to provide a solid base on which we can judge the above five sets.
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................... have shown to be extremely biased for or against certain companies in the past.

How come you reach to such a conclusion? If this to be believed then no body will trust no one.
Edited by RishiGuru - 1/23/11 at 2:45am
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Great review RishiGuru. Never have seen such a good review in any forum ever. You have incredible depth & knowledge of what you are talking about. Rarely do we see members like you in this forum. Every body gives suggestion but no body can justify what they claim. You know what you are talking about.

Forgive me my English is poor since it is not my first language. I have a Klipsch Promedia and a Z-2300. To me Z-2300 have better mids & highs and as a whole have better sound than Promedia.

I always thought with separate midrange & tweeters of Promedia will give an edge to Promedia over Z-2300. But it turned out to be just the opposite. Tom'shardware review is the biggest proof of that.

The Promedia subwoofer is very weak and in only this six months that I have bought the Promedia, there have been three failures. They gave me a new Promedia after two failures a month ago, whose amp has blown again. I just want to throw the Promedia out if my window.

Where as my Z-2300 is five ears old and still going strong. Promedias have very bad reliability.

I have been a long time lurker to this forum and have always found some members very negtive about Z-2300. I think sometimes they post crap.

For an example look at this thread :http://www.overclock.net/hardware-news/907958-toms-2-1-channel-speaker-round.html

And you are absolutely right. Full of negativity. Never can see the positive side.
Edited by Jiejia - 1/23/11 at 5:10am
post #16 of 43
There is no positive side to Logitech speakers. I'm sorry, there's just not. Once you listen to real speakers and hear how your media is supposed to sound there's simply no going back to Logitech crap. Also, there's no way the little tiny midrange driver on the Z2300 is going to produce better highs than a tweeter but hey, I won't stop you, believe what you want to hear. Gotta justify that purchase somehow, right?

Stop referencing a review of people that know nothing about audio and even ADMITTED to not having a proper test room.

Again, I've owned several sets of Logitech speakers in the past. I know how bad they sound compared to proper speakers that surprisingly do not cost a whole lot more.
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If you want speakers, avoid Logitech. Why buy computer speakers(aka 2.1 multimedia speakers) when there's way better choices out there for the same price?
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jason, I have a feeling if someone reviewed the MONSTA BEATS YO you'd be all over it and saying how bad it really is. God forbid if someone decided to review the Bose Circumaural headphones that have now dropped to (IIRC) $150.

I own the z-2300's, the Bose headphones and the MONSTA Beats, YO. I've tried open-back Senn's and I couldn't stand it (granted they probably needed some burn in, those were the 280's I believe. I also tried the closed-back Denon AH-D1000, and I compared the beats side by side with the Denon's. Granted I got the beats for $250 at the time, which was a steal when they were selling for $350+ tax. I found the beats AND the Bose headphones sounded better (again maybe it needed some burn in). This was on a portable source - ie my iPod. I found for a closed back pair of phones the now priced Bose 'phones at $125 USD, they're well worth it. They sound great, IMO.

But what do I know, I'm no audiophile and I'm about to get pwned for having my own opinion on it. I don't need an AMP, and I don't need to put up with open-back headphones (which is great for airplanes, subways, even gaming in your own room) without the fact that they're noisy and bothersome otherwise.
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*snip*
He had threads at other audio forums but they got deleted.

I knew I saw this posted somewhere else before...

I own a set of Z2300, they do sound good but I would never say it was better then any real set. I got them for pretty cheap and I am no audiophile so that does not matter to me too much. I enjoy them, but if anyone says *ZOMG BEST SPEAKERS ON THE PLANET*, stop kidding yourself.
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