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Maybe so, but aren’t people listed from highest at top to lowest elo at bottom? That’s the problem with solo q. Your "better" players have to pick first but they can't count on those below them to swap or even have the champion they want to play.... I'm not defending the practice of picking mid and top as the team’s first two picks. I just look at it as a good way to learn to out play your champ's "counter pick".

That is true. But that is not the reason most people play solo queue for. They play to win. Things like that should be done in custom with friends, if you ask me. There are also champions hard to counter like kennen, irelia and galio mid, which should be the only champions picked for mid, if they are picked without the ability to counterpick. Fiddle in the middle as the very first pick in champion select is just too risky.

But yeah, highest rated players are first in solo queue, but that doesn't mean in any way that they're the best. That's my experience smile.gif I play with a buddy of mine who were over 200 rating higher than me. So naturally, I was last, and he were first pick. I still ended up carrying my share of the games though, when I got to pick anything else than support. Not that it's impossible to carry as support (you can early game), but it's easier as, say the jungler, when he pretty much stands for all the map awareness and most of the kills early to mid-game.
 
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just started playing this and really enjoy it, the main champions i use are kayle and lee sin
    
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Amazing game. Started Phage + 1 pot. Didn't die until I had 6,000g. Never had a chance to buy again.

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There are also champions hard to counter like kennen, irelia and galio mid, which should be the only champions picked for mid, if they are picked without the ability to counterpick. Fiddle in the middle as the very first pick in champion select is just too risky.

I like picking champs that can do well in different lanes. Example, I first picked Malphite and I see the other team picks rumble, then I can tell the team to let me mid or let me jungle. It also makes lane swapping easy to do mid game if both top and mid can play either spot well.

Also, I would assume fiddle was their jungle if he was first picked. Just think if you're team was Fiddle, Vlad and Malph. Who is going where? I know solo q doesn't always work out that way, but it's fun when it does tongue.gif.
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I know! People always use the "I'm first so you pick support" argument, and instalock a mid or top as first pick. Usually someone who is easily countered. It actually should be the complete opposite!. Mid and toplane champions should be picked LAST, in order to be able to counterpick as much as possible, but many people just tend to not know what counterpicking even is, which is extremely annoying..

In solo queue first pick means, by terms of elo only, that they are better than you. Which means they should pick whatever they are best with and go with it, as they should pick their best to ensure they can carry your game. Solo queue is just that, solo. You don't know who is good at what, and trying to organize something during the wait time occasionally works out.

If you watch a stream or two you'll hear them say it all the time, "Man I'm 4th/5th pick, guess I'm taking what's left."
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Maybe so, but aren’t people listed from highest at top to lowest elo at bottom? That’s the problem with solo q. Your "better" players have to pick first but they can't count on those below them to swap or even have the champion they want to play.... I'm not defending the practice of picking mid and top as the team’s first two picks. I just look at it as a good way to learn to out play your champ's "counter pick".

Yes, highest is at the top, lowest at the bottom. Your point is right on, the people at the bottom of the team are wild cards, either good or crap. They may not have all the champs either, which is why I never switch anymore.
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That is true. But that is not the reason most people play solo queue for. They play to win. Things like that should be done in custom with friends, if you ask me. There are also champions hard to counter like kennen, irelia and galio mid, which should be the only champions picked for mid, if they are picked without the ability to counterpick. Fiddle in the middle as the very first pick in champion select is just too risky.
But yeah, highest rated players are first in solo queue, but that doesn't mean in any way that they're the best. That's my experience smile.gif I play with a buddy of mine who were over 200 rating higher than me. So naturally, I was last, and he were first pick. I still ended up carrying my share of the games though, when I got to pick anything else than support. Not that it's impossible to carry as support (you can early game), but it's easier as, say the jungler, when he pretty much stands for all the map awareness and most of the kills early to mid-game.

If you're playing customs with friends to win, you're in the wrong game. Solo queue is a test of skill, and if you belong in a higher elo you should be able to carry your team no problem. Playing customs with friends is just for fun unless you've reached a point where you are playing professionally.
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Solo queue is just that, solo. You don't know who is good at what, and trying to organize something during the wait time occasionally works out.

Yeah, I agree on that point. It's a good way to think that you should expect nothing of your teammates, and expect the worst to happen by the plays made of the other team. Many people are like: "WUKONG YOU NAB YOUR ULT WOULD HAVE SAVED ME!!!!", without thinking about Wukongs cooldowns, or simply his level of skill. Maybe it wouldn't even be worth the cooldown to use it, who knows?
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If you watch a stream or two you'll hear them say it all the time, "Man I'm 4th/5th pick, guess I'm taking what's left."

Well, at higher ratings, there are simply less people playing at the same time. So the difference in rating between first and last pick differs greatly compared to 1300-1400 rating players (example). That way, first pick could easily be a 2150 rating player, while last pick is barely 2000 rating. This way, first pick actually is better, but at lower ratings, the difference is not that high, which means that the player with lower rating easily could be better than everyone else. At least that's my experience through a lot of solo queue.
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If you're playing customs with friends to win, you're in the wrong game. Solo queue is a test of skill, and if you belong in a higher elo you should be able to carry your team no problem. Playing customs with friends is just for fun unless you've reached a point where you are playing professionally.

I'm not talking about improving at the game as a whole, but practicing specific matchups with a specific champion and against another specific champion, its often interesting and a very effective way to improve just that matchup, as it helps to know which mindset to start the game with.
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I like picking champs that can do well in different lanes. Example, I first picked Malphite and I see the other team picks rumble, then I can tell the team to let me mid or let me jungle. It also makes lane swapping easy to do mid game if both top and mid can play either spot well.
Also, I would assume fiddle was their jungle if he was first picked. Just think if you're team was Fiddle, Vlad and Malph. Who is going where? I know solo q doesn't always work out that way, but it's fun when it does tongue.gif.

Yeah, well. I see that you're on a higher level of play than I am, then. Many people don't know how to counterpick at my level, so they actually DO pick fiddle for mid as first pick. Trust me, IT HAPPENS biggrin.gif
As far as Malphite mid goes.. At this rating, that immideately makes me a "AH MA GAWD NOOB, NOT MALPH MID REPORT THAT NAB"
 
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Man, I feel I'm doing much better when listening to daft punk ^^
Someone should do a research on gaming/concentration when listening to music
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Man, I feel I'm doing much better when listening to daft punk ^^
Someone should do a research on gaming/concentration when listening to music

Maybe that's why the pros in streams have music turned on. Each time Ocelote streams, he plays songs like this, lol


 
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Maybe that's why the pros in streams have music turned on. Each time Ocelote streams, he plays songs like this, lol

A lot play music just to make it through the long day of solo queue and streaming. When they actually play to win many won't have music on and will hardly talk except for emotional outbursts or insults. Unless it's a team scrim and they're communicating.
    
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I feel so good when I listen to Crunkles' voice !
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