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Kayle is a pretty good champion. I have played a few games with other players that played Kayle and man, they were carrying and dealing massive damage with her ability!

Also what do you guys think is one of the best AD (Melee or Range) champion? same as AP.

Thanks!
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Kayle is a pretty good champion. I have played a few games with other players that played Kayle and man, they were carrying and dealing massive damage with her ability!
Also what do you guys think is one of the best AD (Melee or Range) champion? same as AP.
Thanks!
It really depends on play style. And every champion pretty much has a counter, so I would say that there is really no ultimate BEST champion really.
One of my personal favorite beefy AD melee characters is Brolaf. Axe is OP.
My favorite AP is definitely Annie, so easy to face roll... But for having fun with an AP it would be Fiddle (even though i can never really get a great game with him) and Fizz.
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It really depends on play style. And every champion pretty much has a counter, so I would say that there is really no ultimate BEST champion really.
One of my personal favorite beefy AD melee characters is Brolaf. Axe is OP.
My favorite AP is definitely Annie, so easy to face roll... But for having fun with an AP it would be Fiddle (even though i can never really get a great game with him) and Fizz.

I can't play annie for some reason haha, she just seems too .. idk for my liking.
I guess her kit isn't my style. I'm more fond of Morgana/Ryze/Kartus/Kennen/Oriana.
I think it due to the fact you have to be up in their face most of the time with Annie.
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Take it back, Diana is OP and hella fun to play hahaha
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Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. Kayle fills the roles of an AD carry, AP carry, and support. Her role as a support is just amazing, best champion she can be paired with on bot is a Talon. The synergy is beyond perfect. Hit an enemy with reckoning, toss Talon into the enemy with a speed boost, AA with fury to strip armor, and ult him under their tower. Makes Talon a nightmare to kill and feeds into his passive. I cannot tell you how many games I have had where we ended up at lvl 10 still in the lane with 75% hp and mana or forced our enemies to be underleveled by at least 2 levels. She is completely under valued and performs very well. Do not assume that because you have 3,000 games played means you know any more than someone else. I can guarentee there is at least one person that may have 100 games played and knows more and is better than you. Games played != skill or knowledge in any way. It can lead to it but does not equate to it. I probably have about 1,500-2,000 games played (not won) and have seen some absolutely off the wall builds that worked way beyond what people would expect. Kayle does have more roles than poppy, plain and simple.
He Q (reckoning) scales with AP and AD and it does a lot of damage both ways. It will do more damage as AP but not a big difference. You honestly don't gimp her by choosing one build over another. If you build AP you want CDR (boots and tooth get you 40% with masteries) and a guinsoos is nice as well, after that standard AP items apply making everything except her auto attack w/o fury hurt but with 40% cdr and rank 5 fury the cd < duration. She can harass very well and deny creep kills if you play her right. Push enemy to their tower, hit fury and keep them off the minions while the tower gets the kills. I really sugest you try playing her again or I can play her with you to demonstrate. I don't play her AD though as it is not my taste but I have laned against one and it is not fun.

The thing that Kayle is good at is her ultimate, that's about it. You're still missing my major point is that her roles are easily replaced by other champions. You're right that she is versatile, but that's it. It doesn't make one effective being versatile, look at Teemo -- He's more versatile than Kayle, he's really fun, he can be effective (like Kayle) but generally, he's replaced by better, more fit role (just like Kayle)

I also have been playing her, there someone goes again assuming I don't play her or anything. I do and she's fun. But again, I would rather have a top laner that's more effective than Kayle. I would rather have an ADC bot than Kayle. I'd rather have a different jungler than Kayle -- Because there are a lot of champs that are better and has a stronger role than her versatality. If you didn't really have a support nor an ADC or some AP damage, yeah Kayle is a good pick but most of the time, that's not what happens -- You end up with your nukes, your tanks, your junglers and your DPS.... all of which Kayle can do (except tank) at a lesser standard.

I am not arguing that she can't face rape, or that she's not versatile -- Just read what I was saying, she's easily replaced at all kinds of roles. I can build an Annie that is a stronger DPS than Teemo (because she scales higher) as an example if I wanted to. Does it mean I should do that? Does it mean I can't? Does it mean neither of them are effective at DPS?

Players always pick their poisons with every champ -- She has a great ulti, one of the best and is versatile and can be effective at certain times depending on situations and teamp comps/builds. Generally, she's a replaceable half-ass meh champ
     
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Ashe was one of my first buys but I can't really play effectively with her.

On the advice of my friends who play LoL, I bought the Digital Collectors Pack since I was new and it gave me good value.

So far from the 21 champions I have, I really like Nasus. He is one of the lesser popularity champions but I like him. Easy to farm, good sustain, can be a tank, good chase.

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Anyone else think that Rengar is a little weak right now? I just find his W and E to be a little lacking when you compare it to other junglers and top laners
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The thing that Kayle is good at is her ultimate, that's about it. You're still missing my major point is that her roles are easily replaced by other champions. You're right that she is versatile, but that's it. It doesn't make one effective being versatile, look at Teemo -- He's more versatile than Kayle, he's really fun, he can be effective (like Kayle) but generally, he's replaced by better, more fit role (just like Kayle)
I also have been playing her, there someone goes again assuming I don't play her or anything. I do and she's fun. But again, I would rather have a top laner that's more effective than Kayle. I would rather have an ADC bot than Kayle. I'd rather have a different jungler than Kayle -- Because there are a lot of champs that are better and has a stronger role than her versatality. If you didn't really have a support nor an ADC or some AP damage, yeah Kayle is a good pick but most of the time, that's not what happens -- You end up with your nukes, your tanks, your junglers and your DPS.... all of which Kayle can do (except tank) at a lesser standard.
I am not arguing that she can't face rape, or that she's not versatile -- Just read what I was saying, she's easily replaced at all kinds of roles. I can build an Annie that is a stronger DPS than Teemo (because she scales higher) as an example if I wanted to. Does it mean I should do that? Does it mean I can't? Does it mean neither of them are effective at DPS?
Players always pick their poisons with every champ -- She has a great ulti, one of the best and is versatile and can be effective at certain times depending on situations and teamp comps/builds. Generally, she's a replaceable half-ass meh champ

She excels as a support, is a very solid solo top champ, and offers nothing special as AP mid but is not weak by any means. As a support though she is very strong with her combination of a powerfull snare while providing a heal and mini-ghost to an ally. Not only that but she can shred the armor of an enemy making the AD Carry she is supporting do even more damage. She can also use her ult to to either save an ally or to push an ally through a fight to the other carries ensuring a kill. A properly played support Kayle can be just as effective as a Soraka. As her overall utility to the team is great. I have seen Kayle in high ranked games. They wouldn't pick her if she was so easily replaced by anyone else. Kayle is a terrible jungler btw. Her late game as a support can be devastating as not only will she bring good heals, get her teamates in and out of fights alive, control the enemy with her snare when used properly she will also be able to hurt the enemy and pick off people that may have otherwise escaped. You under value her highly. Using her to support a Talon, Ashe, or MF is simply beautifull in how they work, while she wont feed Ashe mana she in exchange offers mobility and a massive snare allowing Ashe to run in and out of the fight.
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Anyone else think that Rengar is a little weak right now? I just find his W and E to be a little lacking when you compare it to other junglers and top laners

He just takes a lot of damage early. Currently working on a build (runes/masteries/items) and am very close to something solid.
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Anyone else think that Rengar is a little weak right now? I just find his W and E to be a little lacking when you compare it to other junglers and top laners

I don't think he's weak, I think they actually released him as a balanced champion. So far I have seen one Rengar do awesome, the rest all just do pretty ok with him (by that I mean come out ahead but not severely). A major part of playing him is timing his abilities so you get the right effect at the right time. He has more utility than I originally though and have enjoyed playing him. I do fear however that Riot will buff him and make him op :/
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Anyone see PAX Sona yet?
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