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I'd like to refer to my first post for the second time. I already said that BV would be a better item.

BV doesn't save you at the end of the fight though

Regardless, QSS and BV are both viable
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BV doesn't save you at the end of the fight though
Regardless, QSS and BV are both viable

I like to go for GA and BV late-game if they have a balanced team comp. That along with decent positioning should do just fine. Unless one decides to take Kog'Maw when they have a Lee Sin, Irelia, Cho'Gath, Fizz teamcomp rolleyes.gif
 
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I really like GA over most defense items because they kill you once and sometimes ignore you in a team fight. In the mean time, you will be healing up from life steal or your support.
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the only time i ever get QSS is if im running an AD carry without cleanse against a hard CC team, in which case i'm stupid for not running cleanse. its cheap MR, but there's much better uses for a negatron cloak on basically every other role (imo). i guess i would also do it if i was playing a support and found myself getting stunned / CC'd a lot, but i'd probably just go for a GA at that point (since if they are diving me, my AD carry is going hard in the paint and wrecking their team, giving me tons of assit gold).

edit // i lied. i get it 100% of the time on corki, because without ignite on him his dueling capability is quite subpar.
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the only time i ever get QSS is if im running an AD carry without cleanse against a hard CC team, in which case i'm stupid for not running cleanse. its cheap MR, but there's much better uses for a negatron cloak on basically every other role (imo). i guess i would also do it if i was playing a support and found myself getting stunned / CC'd a lot, but i'd probably just go for a GA at that point (since if they are diving me, my AD carry is going hard in the paint and wrecking their team, giving me tons of assit gold).
edit // i lied. i get it 100% of the time on corki, because without ignite on him his dueling capability is quite subpar.

I can agree with some of that but as a carry I like to take qss against skarner as cleanse wont remove that, but qss will.
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I can agree with some of that but as a carry I like to take qss against skarner as cleanse wont remove that, but qss will.

aka a hard CC tongue.gif

also, YES JAYCE / EVELYNN / EZREAL NERFS THANK GOD.

now they just need to tone down the AD ratio on his gated Q and he'll be in line with the rest of the bruisers.

i feel like completely removing the AS debuff on ez was a bit much. it was the only way for him to survive most duels against every other AD carry.
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The enemy team had double junglers and pushed me out of my jungle so I decided to lane as ap shaco. Which I was surprised I still did pretty well. Played against AD shaco. Our team fights were interesting.


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TF is a good mid with a high skill cap, he requires a team (ie you and 4 friends on skype) to fully be utilized with his ulti - communication is key with global ults.
Definitely go AP TF, he is an APC after all tongue.gif
And you should follow this guide: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=11000 to get a better understanding of TF.

Thanks i've seen many guides all quite similar, i really don't go for ANY mana items as his wild card gives him mana, so i don't see a real need early game.

His abilities are both AD and AP dependent, so either one is useful, but i find his attack speed is the key here, with his stacked deck dealing decent bonus magic damage every 4 attacks I use the Ionic Spark to ramp that up further, meaning every 4 attacks i'm dealing my stacked (with a wild card adds even more damage) and the 125 bonus magic the iconic does, means i have good CC from early on, which is great as TF is Squishy.
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Alot of the time he is under valued because of his ult, as most people are like "haha no damage you have a sucke ult I win". But for tf its not about damage its about the utility, escaping fights, entering fights, ganking, lane swapping, chasing and the list goes on. But because he is swapping damage for utility you have to know how and when to use it. He is really fun to play as, in hide and seek in custom games.

Yeah this is one thing i love about his ult, with insane range (from mid he can teleport pretty much the whole map) But i often don't use it to gank, but more for the reveal, being able to anticipate an enemys path is great, coupled with the stun, this can lead to some deadly ganks.
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This. AD TF isn't very good compared to other ADCs, and all of your abilities scale very well with AP.
I would also suggest Ignite/Flash over Surge/Ghost. He has no escapes other than his stun, so flash will help you avoid being ganked. Flash is the most OP ability in the game after all.

I used to use Ignite and Flash but found that in mid and group attacks having the extra AP and speed from surge was just lethal using ghost to either chase down or escape.

His wild cards do 100% AD damage and 40% AP Damage (+ their respective damage), so having both is useful, Bloodthirster rush to Guinsoo's Rageblade then Madred's Bloodrazor just keeps up the sustained damage and most champs are down within 2 - 3 hits

His downfall is his range, he's out ranged by most, but i think that adds to the skill needed to play this hero, i'm always moving, kiting to land a wildcard then going ape to stacked then back off, i think his unpredictability (when you quick draw the wild cards) makes him appear more dangerous than he is, therefore most players will be cautious or over confident when playing against him which often leads to their early demise,

To summarize, you're not gonna lead the board with kills all the time, you will get the odd triple, quadra and penta if you play well with a team, but by no means is TF a killing machine (Not until much later) the best you can hope for is a positive k/d ratio and an really high assist rate. Still this is my pick for a good team support and early pusher.
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The enemy team had double junglers and pushed me out of my jungle so I decided to lane as ap shaco. Which I was surprised I still did pretty well. Played against AD shaco. Our team fights were interesting.


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whats with the old portraits?

Yeah that is weird... Rengar and Jayce are there with their new pics? the Twisted fate pic is the new NEW one too No?
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