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Wow. Super not necessary. Some months back they nerfed her quite a lot. I'd almost say that was too much. They totally floored her sustain, now she's not cool anymore frown.gif Why don't they do anything about Shen instead?

Shen is actually pretty weak right now. Yep, I get tons of flak for it, but I am sure of it. His win rates in every single category and in all of the tournaments is pathetic. People just think he is a strong pick.

He and Ali are in the same category. They are just a pain to play against. Not strong by any means, but there is nothing worse than being close to a kill and shen comes in and ruins it. Ali is just a pain to lane against. Most people put blitz in this category too, but I think he actually has some use late game with the grab.

But yeah, Irelia is actually decently strong. There really isn't anyone that can beat her in lane. She even destroys Kayle, Jayce, and Nid once she gets to level 5.
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Shen is really strong. Some teams don't want to ban him, people pick him simply because "Shen isn't ban, we must pick him!" and that is why he loses a lot.

His top lane is pretty great, his jungle is ok. Strong early/mid/late, can split push all day and ulti for teamfights. Can dive enemy carry while protecting his own. Very versitile.
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Classic.
http://realelohell.wordpress.com/
I'm just gonna keep posting this link every time someone asks how they improve and/or how they don't belong in the elo they're in.

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All you are ever going to get when asking how to get out of "elo hell"
1. Buy wards
2. Carry (stupid because even if you carry, someone is going to do something retarded and throw the game)
Really soloq is a lottery. You get lucky to get paired with a good team and vice-versa.
Just keep playing and eventually you'll get out of your so called "elo hell" but really soloq in whole is elohell. At every elo range you get to, you will have idiots, however it becomes likes problematic the higher elo you are at, but it is still elohell.
Try filling roles that aren't taken yet, if someone wants a lane let them have it. Chances are they are good at the lane.

Thing is:

I was the carry. Tried to carry the team. They called stupid baron times. Pinged them to get back. They're like: "Oh no...If you don't come now, we will die." I repeatedly pinged them to back. They started w/o the adc (me) and got pooped on.

As for not being in the elo I'm in. My highest is 1388. Been around 1360 and 1380 for most of my time. If I'm at ~1200, something isn't right.

They called a support taric. Fine. I'm good with that. But when they stay behind me and not try to zone the enemy, I knew we were going to lose. If he's not ballsy enough to zone, chances are he's not going to peel for me in teamfights.

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Thing is:
I was the carry. Tried to carry the team. They called stupid baron times. Pinged them to get back. They're like: "Oh no...If you don't come now, we will die." I repeatedly pinged them to back. They started w/o the adc (me) and got pooped on.
As for not being in the elo I'm in. My highest is 1388. Been around 1360 and 1380 for most of my time. If I'm at ~1200, something isn't right.
They called a support taric. Fine. I'm good with that. But when they stay behind me and not try to zone the enemy, I knew we were going to lose. If he's not ballsy enough to zone, chances are he's not going to peel for me in teamfights.
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Well you can't have the good team everytime. Like my previous post, you can still get the worse team. Carrying yourself to a higher rating doesn't necessarily mean 50 consecutive wins. If you had the chance of actually trying to do baron with them and you didn't, then that's your fault. Because they're 4 players, and you're one. Sure, carrying partially means making good decisions when it comes to objectives, but if everyone disagrees with you, you're gonna have to follow them.

About players like the Taric you mentioned. The only thing you can really do with players like that is to try to suggest them the more appropriate way to play with the given champion. For example, I was with a Blitz bot. They had an Alistar. Blitz grabbed Alistar on purpose 2 times. Needless to say, that messes it up for us pretty bad. All I did was to suggest him to staw away from Alistar unless his cooldowns are up. After that, everything went smooth. Despite being behind in every possible way, we ended up ahead and won.
 
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Shen is really strong. Some teams don't want to ban him, people pick him simply because "Shen isn't ban, we must pick him!" and that is why he loses a lot.
His top lane is pretty great, his jungle is ok. Strong early/mid/late, can split push all day and ulti for teamfights. Can dive enemy carry while protecting his own. Very versitile.

You have a great point with the "we have to pick him so they don't get him", but if he was as strong as people say, it wouldn't matter. Shen actually has a very low skillcap. Anyone with decent experience can pick him up and play. If I see a shen against me in ranked, I just go singed and it is a free win. Shen works great if the other top laner can't push, but if they can, he ults and you lose a tower. This is why in blind pick he is pretty good, but in draft, he falls off. That's why he appeared a ton less at worlds than the qualifiers. They saw he just wasn't as strong as another better top laner.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/shen&region=all&league=ranked#statistics
This shows his ranked stats are lacking but blind is pretty good

Take a look at Elobuff, and you can see he had a pretty crappy win rate there as well
https://elobuff.com/events/2012-season-2-world-championship/champions

I think he is just overrated, and I will stand with it. I went through the same flak when I said mundo and karthus were OP in season 1. Nobody agreed, but go check out my stats with them season 1. Then look at the fact that they got nerfed 4-6 patches in a row, and now they are still considered strong. Take a look at my season 2 stats. Skarner was viewed as pretty weak, but I played him because I thought he was OP. Well, four nerfing patches later, he was still played a ton.

Right now the OP champs if you ask me (Jayce and Rengar will still remain super strong after their first nerfs is it matches with the leaked nerf stats):
Jayce
Eve
Rengar
Sona
EZ
Malph
Singed
Xin
Zyra

The weak ones that will still be played:
Ali
Shen
Karthus
Nunu
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Does anyone have the patch note?

I want to buy EZ, but I don't know how badly they're going to nerf him
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Does anyone have the patch note?
I want to buy EZ, but I don't know how badly they're going to nerf him

Are you Asian? If so, buy him. If not, don't tongue.gif I'm not kidding, and by no means being racist (if it is coming across this way it would be against white people, of which I am one). Look at the EZ stats at worlds. The Asian teams obliterated with him. I think they were 8-1 and the NA and EU teams combined for 1-6 or something. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it's something like that.

Okay, now in all honesty, I would get him. If you enjoy playing him, just go for it. He is strong right now, but the nerfs will bring him down to the level of other carries. I am sure his nerf will be pretty small.

I think these are the latest notes:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22043-unoffical-pbe-changes-for-10-18-2012-splash
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Are you Asian? If so, buy him. If not, don't tongue.gif I'm not kidding, and by no means being racist (if it is coming across this way it would be against white people, of which I am one). Look at the EZ stats at worlds. The Asian teams obliterated with him. I think they were 8-1 and the NA and EU teams combined for 1-6 or something. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it's something like that.
Okay, now in all honesty, I would get him. If you enjoy playing him, just go for it. He is strong right now, but the nerfs will bring him down to the level of other carries. I am sure his nerf will be pretty small.
I think these are the latest notes:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22043-unoffical-pbe-changes-for-10-18-2012-splash

Yea I'm Asian biggrin.gif

For some reason, Ez seemed very natural to me during this week. It's the first time I've played with him and the results are fabulous. biggrin.gif
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Yea I'm Asian biggrin.gif
For some reason, Ez seemed very natural to me during this week. It's the first time I've played with him and the results are fabulous. biggrin.gif

He's very fun. I think he's great especially in solo queue. He does better on his own than most AD carries.

I'd say go for it tongue.gif

I honestly don't think they will nerf more than his W a little bit and maybe increase the CD on his E. He is just a tiny bit OP, but not that bad.
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He's very fun. I think he's great especially in solo queue. He does better on his own than most AD carries.
I'd say go for it tongue.gif
I honestly don't think they will nerf more than his W a little bit and maybe increase the CD on his E. He is just a tiny bit OP, but not that bad.

Well...I heard his W is getting the AS debuff removed, so his 1v1 isn't that good anymore.

And for this free week, it's my dream week. Been wanting MF/Vayne/Kat for a long time now

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