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Got almost 13000 IP. Don't know what to spend them on biggrin.gif My rune pages are fine right now, so nothing there. Considering Lulu, only because she's so funny to build Wits End/Bloodrazor/Bloodthirster on biggrin.gif Or maybe Diana, if I wanna get serious and pwn some nubs. Hmm, I think I'll have to sleep on this one..

Wait for Zed.
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Wait for Zed.

I'm just getting tired of the: "This is the new assassin type jungler"- thing. It's getting old.. Newest support they've made is Lulu. The newest AD Carry is what, Draven? No, Jayce doesn't count.

Rengar, Kha'Zix, Elise, Diana. It's starting to get annoying.. Sure, it's possible to mid with Elise and Diana, but still. I don't feel like there's much variety to the new champions lately. They're also all following the mean killer "I'll rip your head off"- cliché. I miss the times when champions like Lulu or Teemo were new, where the champions designed and released were actually different from one another, and fun.

I don't think I'll be spending my IP anyways though, I never get around to actually doing that, because I don't feel that I need anything else biggrin.gif
 
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my biggest gripe with the whole DotA franchise is denying. it's a skilless, unfun mechanic that punishes players who are doing well, and rewards players who are doing poorly. at the very least, you shouldn't be able to deny structures.
You should be able to deny structures, they are worth a lot more gold in dota and actually perceived as objectives in dota. If you are dominating your lane and get your structure denied from you then you got severely outplayed.

That's like saying you shouldn't be able to stop someone from baroning, because they are winning.
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I'm just getting tired of the: "This is the new assassin type jungler"- thing. It's getting old.. Newest support they've made is Lulu. The newest AD Carry is what, Draven? No, Jayce doesn't count.
Rengar, Kha'Zix, Elise, Diana. It's starting to get annoying.. Sure, it's possible to mid with Elise and Diana, but still. I don't feel like there's much variety to the new champions lately. They're also all following the mean killer "I'll rip your head off"- cliché. I miss the times when champions like Lulu or Teemo were new, where the champions designed and released were actually different from one another, and fun.
I don't think I'll be spending my IP anyways though, I never get around to actually doing that, because I don't feel that I need anything else biggrin.gif

Ya, I am getting tired of them always releasing junglers, they havent had any new bot laners for a while and I main ADC D:
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Wait for Zed.

After using him extensively on PBE, I think he's underpowered. His Q does little damage early and even mid game.
His main damage is his E, but takes a whole lot of mana.
Combo = W>Q>W>E
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Ya, I am getting tired of them always releasing junglers, they havent had any new bot laners for a while and I main ADC D:

Last well designed champion was Lulu frown.gif Because she was so unique, both in design and skillset. The rest is just garbage, IMO.
 
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I have a two questions.

1. At higher ELO, is there a dramatic difference with less champion poking and more emphasis on CS?

I know the magic number is 10 CS per minute. However, at my bad normal ELO (Like 205 wins and 222 losses), its usually impossible to get anywhere close. Probably closer to 6-8 CS per minute. It seems basically all abilities use are for poke and almost none on CS.

2. When I play Solo Top, it's rare for me to have games where I rape the other team's top and snowball and carry the game.

I'm pretty much like Nasus no matter what champ I take (Malphite, Jayce, Garen), I don't usually lose the lane, farm up, take down the tower and enter the team fight phase usually 3/0 at best and 1/1 at worst.

Any idea on improvements?
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I have a question.
At higher ELO, is there a dramatic difference with less champion poking and more emphasis on CS?
I know the magic number is 10 CS per minute. However, at my bad normal ELO, its usually impossible to get anywhere close. Probably closer to 6-8 CS per minute. It seems basically all abilities use are for poke and almost none on CS.

At higher elo, they understand that kills don't necessarily win games. Lower ELO = more kills the better

Just poke back. Try to cs as often as you can. Play it safe
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I have a question.
At higher ELO, is there a dramatic difference with less champion poking and more emphasis on CS?
I know the magic number is 10 CS per minute. However, at my bad normal ELO, its usually impossible to get anywhere close. Probably closer to 6-8 CS per minute. It seems basically all abilities use are for poke and almost none on CS.

Well, around 1600 rating in N&E, the 20 minute mark often says anything between 140-180 cs. 200 minions in 20 minutes is considered good, IMO. There is more emphasis on CS at higher elos, for sure. It's just not that easy to draw a line like that, because some champions will be all about farming till late game, whereas some champions´ job is almost only to shutdown the opposing laner to make him/her useless lategame. For example someone like LeBlanc or Fizz. These two champions at mid fall off significantly at late game, if they haven't done what they should have done early-mid game, which is to shutdown the opposing mid. Without kills, they're simply bad late-game. A Fizz should is in no way be able to outfarm a laner like Vladimir or Morgana, because they're all about keeping the farmfest going until mid-late game (where they keep farming if possible)

But the conclusion is, yes. There is more emphasis on farming early game, because players at higher elos know how much they would be behind just by giving a single kill to the opposing laner. Not only are you giving the opposing team (with most of the gold going to the player YOU are laning against) a lot of gold, you're also letting your opponent lane without you being there. Which means he can push the tower, or make your tower kill his minions without your presence, which gives him a significant advantage in gold, without even counting the 300 (or more) gold you gave him by dying to him.

As far as the poking <--> farming thing goes, you can try to master the art of farming AND poking with the same ability. This can be a little tricky, but if you're playing many champions with AOE spells who don't use a whole lot of mana, you can pull it off. It's basically just farming with an AOE ability, while that ability hits the opposing laner. Lets say you're Vladimir. You keep your E stacks up, and approach his minions wave to clear it, or kill some of them with your E. Getting a sense of how long it's range is, you can sometimes make the E hit the opposing laner, while not sacrificing cs, which is obviously beneficial for you in every possible way. Except that you're pushing, but that's just one of the things that you have to live with as a Vladimir player biggrin.gif

Hope this helped a little cheers.gif
 
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You could also play Cait. Her Q can be used for farming and harassing if your positioning is correct
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