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Cynez,

You don't remember GodFather007 ? I recall you saying that I'm good and play at a high level, but it's cool, whatever floats your boat.

Anyways,

And no, I'm not raging, I'm griping at how dumb this elo system works compared to other (team) based elo systems out there, SC2 is one of them and it doesn't have the issues like this. You can say elo hell doesn't exist, yet you can read at how some Plat players aren't getting out of it, or switching to smurfs, being forced to duo que, or not even solo que in general, just read.

There is some formula they use to keep you at a 1:1 ratio, regardless of elo -- Was on a bad losing streak and got the durps on my team, today I went up about 40 elo after a couple games, they so happened to be on the other team and have been on a win streak past day or so, hopefully the streak is long enough to get to the 1400's again where the durps aren't a MAJORITY rolleyes.gif

The winning team is dependent on who has the most durps at this elo

And quit attacking me with the replies, it's not like I'm attacking anyone, I'm attacking the system. Again, drop down to the 1100's and carry yourself out and prove me wrong if you have the balls to do it thumb.gif

Really -- It comes down to this, Elo means nothing in this game -- I know where I stand and where I have played before, I can be in the 200's, doesn't matter. I know it's just a bad losing streak from the Rioteer's matchmaking bonanza and I'll get out of it

Just sucks not even having good games and watching the trolfests at this elo, it's not as occurent the higher you get, sorry for the "Q Q"

I think you're onto something with this one. I remember my first ranked game in season 1, I only did one game with mordekaiser and won, but vividly recall how lousy the players were. Then in season 2, I won no games with mordekaiser, and the people were just as bad (regardless of how good I was doing). There was a phenomenal lack of focus at lower elo's than any other rating. It felt like I was playing with people who BARELY got to level 30 and started queuing up ranked matches.

That being said, you should hop in some dominion matches with me some time. It gets your mind off the elo scene, and more or less stress free.
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I was 1100. Ended last season on almost 1700 alone. People should learn to play, seriously. All this QQ'ing about ELO hell just makes me smile.
 
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^^^^ Me too, also Thresh is amazing, my new favorite support next to Leona, time to keep carrying, also for those that are QQing.. This is how you dont give up, i was scared of losing but i tried to keep my head...


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warning: this is a highlight from my livestream, i curse/Cuss and I'm in Skype with my wife, and our cat was being cuddled xD

Enjoy, i love constructive feedback, and tips, but insults and trolls need not apply, i get paid to play, so i get enough trolls on twitch.
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I was 1100. Ended last season on almost 1700 alone. People should learn to play, seriously. All this QQ'ing about ELO hell just makes me smile.

Last season's matchmaking system was different then this seasons, I have no complaints on last seasons system or season 1. Ever since those changes, it's been different, atleast to me.
     
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You don't know how much I've tried to help my team carry as jungle Pantheon, letting their lanes get fed, ganking each and every single lane idk how many times, and letting them win them, they still throw hard late game when I fall off (as Pantheon falls off late game) -- Switched to trying to carry hard early as Pantheon, late it falls off

You don't give your lanes kills. You take the kills. Pantheon is amazing at securing kills, and that is what you should be aiming for. Do you trust your teammates? You shouldn't, unless they have proven to be trusthworthy. If you look at my match history, I have 2 games as jungle Jarvan, The one at the very bottom was a game where our MF got super fed, and I noticed she was a good player (kite well, built good items, used ulti well). So I built tank items, and basically was our initiator/peeler. I finished 2/3/18.

4 games later, I played a game as Jarvan where I ganked like crazy, built damage items, and was one shotting the enemy veigar/vayne every teamfight (it was the game I played with hollowtrek). Our bot lane won hard, but mid DCed and top kinda lost. I finished 13/6/20.

It's stupid to give your lanes kills and then trust them to win you the game.
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Same with J4, I've assisted and warded everything, at this elo, wards are nothing, they still have 0 map awareness if you ping them that they're right there. They face check, and what do you do about that soraka mid? Or that AD GP bot? Or that support Nasus, or that Jungle Malzahar (yes, yes I've seen this in ranked)

Don't assist, don't ward. Get kills, get fed, carry the game.

Listen, having bad teammates is more often than not good. They won't take your kills, and they will auto push their lane w/o wards. This means any competent jungler will gank them. So I basically just sneak into top brush and countergank. Xin/Jarvan + any toplaner will burst people extremely hard. One of the biggest things you need to do when trying to win is COUNTERGANK. I had a game as Xin jungle where we had morde mid and Darius top. Those are two champions that are the target for early game ganks. Shaco didnt' take flash, he took exhaust so I knew he was going to gank one of the two, probably mid. So I waited around mid after I got double buffs, and here came Shaco. He blinked in, and then we destroyed him. After that, I based, bought MS 5 boots, and went top lane because darius was pushing hard and he started boots + 3. So Shaco was clearly going to try and gank. 10 seconds after I was in the top lane bush, a orange cloud of smoke poofed from the bush, and there was shaco. I had his double buff, and we ended up with a double kill.

You think that only your teammates are bad. Enemies are just as bad, more often than not worse. Take advantage of that. I know I have bad teammates, so why wouldn't I have bad enemies? It's only natural to assume that. It's silly to get mad at teammates for being bad at 1200-1500 elo.

And there is nothing wrong with weird picks. Play to their strenghs. Mid Soraka will dump on her lane, so ward it for her so she doesn't get ganked or you can see the enemy coming to gank and you counter gank. AD GP bot has really strong early game damage + slow. He snowballs hard. Snowball his lane for him, very easy to gank for. Support Nasus has one of the best slows in the game. Please gank for him. His AS debuff is great for bot lane trading. Not ideal, but manageable. Jungle malz clearls really fast, and has strong ganks especially post 6. Be ready to respond to jungle invades.

You see what I am doing here? I am making the best of a bad situation. It happens all the time in solo queue. There are tons of mistakes I make throughout the game, so blaming a loss on a weird pick is not a good solution.
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Supports aren't going to carry you out of it, neither is a support Pantheon since that's gimping your ADC, but in your defense, if the ADC is sucking, I'd go for the kills and the creep.

Supports are super easy to carry. You can counterward, set up ganks, and harass the hell out of the enemy carry. Most supports 1200 elo dont' even run armour runes. Just play Taric and razzle dazzle them. Play defensive if you dont' trust him, and counterward and ask for ganks. Not feeding is good enough most of the time.

I used to have a bad attitude for solo queue then I realized I am pretty bad myself, and I should try and win every single game by looking at every AVAILABLE factor. My teammates being braindead cactuses is something out of my control. I will always try and gank and kill and push and take towers and objectives and do all the wonderful things that win games. Most of the time, it works.
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I alwaus have and always will believe that there is no elo hell. It just matters how well you play because everyone gets bad teammates,its just how well you can carry them. The 1100 to 1300 elo range is there for a reason, for the people that deserve it and the higher elo is for the people who deserve that.
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So, in the midst of all the QQ about Elo hell, what do you guys think about the new ranked system coming for S3? As far as I can tell, the bottom division of each tier will be the new "Elo hell", with players not being able to drop out (even if they are well deserving). People have to find something/someone other than themselves to blame their bad play on, after all.

The new system might increase the number of reports the trolls get and help remove them from the community, but we'll see eventually. But in Riot's discussions on the system over on reddit, it sounds like even if most of your division is full of trolls, it will attempt to match you with fewer of those based on all the players at your tier and similar records.

In the end it should all balance out, because statistically for all the trolls you get, your opponents are likely to have them in just as many games. You get trolls, then your opponents get trolls. The end result should be equal number of games getting trolled on either side, and the resulting elo you have is still based on your skill and not trolling due to the balancing.

Biggest thing, use positive reinforcement instead of flaming to try and get a troll to play. Arguing from champ select is how most trolls make the decision to feed, so be kind and play what your team needs if you're last pick. If all else fails, hit the ignore button. As soon as I find myself about to yell back or flame at someone I just mute them. Prevents me from violating the summoner's code and reminds me who to report at the end.
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You don't give your lanes kills. You take the kills. Pantheon is amazing at securing kills, and that is what you should be aiming for. Do you trust your teammates? You shouldn't, unless they have proven to be trusthworthy. If you look at my match history, I have 2 games as jungle Jarvan, The one at the very bottom was a game where our MF got super fed, and I noticed she was a good player (kite well, built good items, used ulti well). So I built tank items, and basically was our initiator/peeler. I finished 2/3/18.

4 games later, I played a game as Jarvan where I ganked like crazy, built damage items, and was one shotting the enemy veigar/vayne every teamfight (it was the game I played with hollowtrek). Our bot lane won hard, but mid DCed and top kinda lost. I finished 13/6/20.

It's stupid to give your lanes kills and then trust them to win you the game.
Don't assist, don't ward. Get kills, get fed, carry the game.

Listen, having bad teammates is more often than not good. They won't take your kills, and they will auto push their lane w/o wards. This means any competent jungler will gank them. So I basically just sneak into top brush and countergank. Xin/Jarvan + any toplaner will burst people extremely hard. One of the biggest things you need to do when trying to win is COUNTERGANK. I had a game as Xin jungle where we had morde mid and Darius top. Those are two champions that are the target for early game ganks. Shaco didnt' take flash, he took exhaust so I knew he was going to gank one of the two, probably mid. So I waited around mid after I got double buffs, and here came Shaco. He blinked in, and then we destroyed him. After that, I based, bought MS 5 boots, and went top lane because darius was pushing hard and he started boots + 3. So Shaco was clearly going to try and gank. 10 seconds after I was in the top lane bush, a orange cloud of smoke poofed from the bush, and there was shaco. I had his double buff, and we ended up with a double kill.

You think that only your teammates are bad. Enemies are just as bad, more often than not worse. Take advantage of that. I know I have bad teammates, so why wouldn't I have bad enemies? It's only natural to assume that. It's silly to get mad at teammates for being bad at 1200-1500 elo.

And there is nothing wrong with weird picks. Play to their strenghs. Mid Soraka will dump on her lane, so ward it for her so she doesn't get ganked or you can see the enemy coming to gank and you counter gank. AD GP bot has really strong early game damage + slow. He snowballs hard. Snowball his lane for him, very easy to gank for. Support Nasus has one of the best slows in the game. Please gank for him. His AS debuff is great for bot lane trading. Not ideal, but manageable. Jungle malz clearls really fast, and has strong ganks especially post 6. Be ready to respond to jungle invades.

You see what I am doing here? I am making the best of a bad situation. It happens all the time in solo queue. There are tons of mistakes I make throughout the game, so blaming a loss on a weird pick is not a good solution.
Supports are super easy to carry. You can counterward, set up ganks, and harass the hell out of the enemy carry. Most supports 1200 elo dont' even run armour runes. Just play Taric and razzle dazzle them. Play defensive if you dont' trust him, and counterward and ask for ganks. Not feeding is good enough most of the time.

I used to have a bad attitude for solo queue then I realized I am pretty bad myself, and I should try and win every single game by looking at every AVAILABLE factor. My teammates being braindead cactuses is something out of my control. I will always try and gank and kill and push and take towers and objectives and do all the wonderful things that win games. Most of the time, it works.


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