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I wish that one of these things would come somewhere remotely close to where I live and at a timeframe I can go lol. Still gots schoolz and stuffs to worry about :/
    
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Okay I need a high player to comment on this so I can screenshot it and show it to my friends who really, really, really need to know how to actually count to freaking potato when it comes to ranked. I'm just going to come out and say they are hard headed who don't take criticism to well (except my jungler friend, my advice I feel has helped him get at least a little bit better) Okay so today was my first time playing ranked in a while but my thing is, (according to some people anyways) I supposedly belong in gold with my skills. I don't really like ranked but I promised my friends that I would join their S4 team and so we played a few games today, lost every single one. I can guarantee you guys it wasn't me not trying to sound cocky or anything. I ward a lot, I can CS well usually ~100-190 in the 20 minute mark, I roam successfully most of the time, I hardly ever lose lane because I don't freak the heck out about who I'm laning against because that's not gonna help at all For example Shen vs Pantheon top I've won as Shen when pantheon is a Supposed counter to Shen, or Me playing Tryndamere when I'm Fighting a Teemo I've won that lane too. I never back out on team fights unless it's real obvious that we're losing, my map awareness could be better I will admit, But most of all I DON'T feed.

(these are very consistent issues I just found this game to be a good example)

Here's what they do: (FYI this is mostly focused on our bot lane and mid lane because they are the ones sucking, our jungle is rather good)

Go make some coffee or somethin' cuz this is gonna be a nice long post biggrin.gif

-They see Plat players in our game, Start freaking out INSTANTLY. First problem right there, you can't be scared of the enemy champ/summoner when you go in lane. I NEVER get scared of my lane opponent because I actually know how damn balanced this game is (kudos to Riot for that btw)


-I was playing Shen vs. a Plat Kennen top lane in my game and he didn't get a single kill on me but I was able to chunk him a lot. I will admit this was a pretty easy lane because of my champ I was playing but that's beside the point, When I would use my ulti to come to lanes to try and make kill plays, they would pansy out and RUN when I was teleporting to them... I teleproted to mid and bot whenever I could to try to make the plays. Game changing mistake two right there, their confidence in the ability of our teammates to help you out. Shens shield is HUGE and if Shen ults you unless you have less than 300 HP and he's saving your behind, you turn and burn on some kids and get some kills and assists that are CRUCIAL to the game.

-24-3 enemy jinx at 20 minutes. This was because even after they fed her like five kills from just not playing smart at all, they would still try to fight her and kill her which if you feed any ADC then the odds are NOT in your favor and at that point of an ADC being fed, Jungle won't even be able to gank or he will risk giving a triple to their ADC. Third mistake right there, if the enemy ADC (or even mid or top laner for that matter) is fed DON'T TRY TO KILL THEM because chances are you won't be able to and you'll just end up feeding a lot more in your lust to kill them.

-Also when the thresh was running in for a very obvious engage they wouldn't back off or even remotely try to dodge hooks Which brings me to four, Team comp, They were the last two picks and saw the thresh jinx lane so what do they do? Pick Soraka and Ezreal... Four game changing mistakes right there. That one was a game changer before the game even started because lets face it, a good thresh will annihilate the best Soraka. They could have easily counter picked that lane. When I play with my friends that aren't on this team we usually take at least five minutes to discuss team comps.


- Game changing mistake five, when Their Jungler would come to gank them on bot lane, while yes we had it warded (this applies to mid too) They didn't even make any attempt to back off once they saw him. I don't know if their map awareness is just that bad or if they don't think that he will get them but goodness... Whereas when I saw him come top I instantly turned on "oh hell no" mode and backed off so that he couldn't land the ganks and didn't give the enemy laner any kills biggrin.gif. For them that's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE DEAL, Map awareness isn't everything in this game but it is a HUGE game maker or breaker. Five game changing mistakes right there.


- Lets talk team fights, While granted they're semi confident about team fighting, they don't really focus on anyone and there is almost no follow up whenever one of us engages (except me and my friend who does jungle). Six. I'll admit we couldn't do much in this game but like I said, these issues are consistent, This game is just a prime example.


-Another thing is that I no one was really going for objectives like dragons which are the key to comebacks or towers which get you that much closer to winning, me and the jungler always have to practically yell at them to get them to get dragons when we're in the most perfect of perfect spots to get it. That's 7 huge mistakes before this game ended in the 23 minutes it took.

-Warding kind of falls under map awareness but they hardly ward at all, ever... That's 8 mistakes.


-Number 9 is a very big thing, Most of the time they try to focus on killing the enemy rather than CS'ing and in their lust to kill the champs they miss a lot of farm or get utterly wrecked by the enemy creep wave when they try to do an early engage. That's actually 10 right there. You have to CS and you can't fight in a freaking creep wave early cuz those things wreck face early game.




There is generally more than this but my wrists are hurting.

I want a High elo player to tell me what I can say that they will actually freaking listen to so that they will get better at this game and we can wreck face in laning and fights and keep dragons like the wanna be LCS pros that we all are.


No trolling - get new friends to play with.

Sounds like your friends are not very smart.

A dumb person can get very good with a certain champ after many matches but that doesn't mean that they will ever learn
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So why exactly does hybrid Zyra deal out an obsene amount of damage akin to AD carries?

I play Zyra with zerkers BT Trinity then Liandrys Deathcap zonyas, or zekers BT Trinity Atmas maw of malmortius Last Whipser, reguardless of AD heavy or AP heavy path, she just does obsene amounts of damage. REguardless of how many kills, anytime i play hybrid zyra, i always top the charts with damage dealt to champions.
My only flaw is that I tend to dye a lot as zyra, but the damage is just wat?
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Zerkers are the worst boots you can buy, stat wise.

Aaaaand I got an awesome name on my smurf http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38323934
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Zerkers are the worst boots you can buy, stat wise.

Aaaaand I got an awesome name on my smurf http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38323934

well its for the AA's, need the autos, but after trinity force theres no reason to go for anymore Aspd and build into hybrid items.

Still she does insane amounts of damage hybrid, its crazy. Mid zyra, with zekers BT Trinity Liandrys, shreds turrets down, and shreds health and makes enemy teams so much easier to kill.
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So why exactly does hybrid Zyra deal out an obsene amount of damage akin to AD carries?

I play Zyra with zerkers BT Trinity then Liandrys Deathcap zonyas, or zekers BT Trinity Atmas maw of malmortius Last Whipser, reguardless of AD heavy or AP heavy path, she just does obsene amounts of damage. REguardless of how many kills, anytime i play hybrid zyra, i always top the charts with damage dealt to champions.
My only flaw is that I tend to dye a lot as zyra, but the damage is just wat?

MY fav champ by far is Zyra, i have played her probably in close to 600 games. Zyra support is what got me into plat in s3. I also have played ADC Zyra a couple times lol, never hybrid, but i could see how it would work. The main reason she is an ok ADC is that her auto attack range is huge. She has 575 range which is the same as Varus, 50 more than Graves, and 25 more than Vayne. Also he Auto Attack animation is very crisp and quick, it allows you to animation cancel her auto very very early in her auto attack. When you are able to do this consistently it will really really help in positioning especially when CS'ing in lane. The other great part about zyra is that she has her own built in peels, and some of the strongest in the game at that. Then on top off all the range and peels, her peels still do tons of damage. (your gonna have to trust me on this math) Her lvl 6 combo does about 650 damage at base, then add in any empowered plant autos, your autos while they are stunned and anything else your support has, and its almost a guaranteed kill. After 6 her damage in the mid game is pretty weak as until an infinite edge is done(or BT is stacked) and you have some attack speed, but after that she can do plenty of damage.

Hybrid Zyra i could see working. if after that BT you grab some AP from sheen to get the small boost to your AP spells and a good buff with the sheen proc. I like the build youve come up with, ill have to try it sometime.

Lastly you mentioned that you always die alot on zyra. I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN lol. Her main problem is since her range is so big, she is super slow. It is painful switching from a melee champ with lots of movespeed (someone like shyvana hehehe) to zyra because she is slow and no escapes. You have to play Zyra like you are afraid of anything and everything that comes near you. You need to be very far behind you teammates in teamfights and never ever facecheck a bush (that what her seeds are for), bc a couple pixels is the difference between life and death on zyra.


Overall is hybrid Zyra playable, Absolutely, is it better than straight AP Zyra, id say no.
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MY fav champ by far is Zyra, i have played her probably in close to 600 games. Zyra support is what got me into plat in s3. I also have played ADC Zyra a couple times lol, never hybrid, but i could see how it would work. The main reason she is an ok ADC is that her auto attack range is huge. She has 575 range which is the same as Varus, 50 more than Graves, and 25 more than Vayne. Also he Auto Attack animation is very crisp and quick, it allows you to animation cancel her auto very very early in her auto attack. When you are able to do this consistently it will really really help in positioning especially when CS'ing in lane. The other great part about zyra is that she has her own built in peels, and some of the strongest in the game at that. Then on top off all the range and peels, her peels still do tons of damage. (your gonna have to trust me on this math) Her lvl 6 combo does about 650 damage at base, then add in any empowered plant autos, your autos while they are stunned and anything else your support has, and its almost a guaranteed kill. After 6 her damage in the mid game is pretty weak as until an infinite edge is done(or BT is stacked) and you have some attack speed, but after that she can do plenty of damage.

Hybrid Zyra i could see working. if after that BT you grab some AP from sheen to get the small boost to your AP spells and a good buff with the sheen proc. I like the build youve come up with, ill have to try it sometime.

Lastly you mentioned that you always die alot on zyra. I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN lol. Her main problem is since her range is so big, she is super slow. It is painful switching from a melee champ with lots of movespeed (someone like shyvana hehehe) to zyra because she is slow and no escapes. You have to play Zyra like you are afraid of anything and everything that comes near you. You need to be very far behind you teammates in teamfights and never ever facecheck a bush (that what her seeds are for), bc a couple pixels is the difference between life and death on zyra.


Overall is hybrid Zyra playable, Absolutely, is it better than straight AP Zyra, id say no.

Its just the damage output. i play zyra ALOT when im not playing ranked. I think zyra is probably one of my most played unranked champions.

but i dont mean straight ADC zyra, i mean just rolling hybrid/ad heavy stuff. she does so much magic damage with plants and buirst plus her AAs its so strong.

I mean just an example.

(oops SS's had bad words)

her damage is just crazy with her AAs and plants, along with her burst ontop of it. its really quite shocking.

Just FYI, i started going with Liandry's after trinity for the sake of burning. i seem to be loving liandrys lately.
I just didnt expect the damage to be that crazy high.
Edited by FranBunnyFFXII - 1/15/14 at 12:05pm
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No trolling - get new friends to play with.

Sounds like your friends are not very smart.

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Map awareness
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Yeah I'm thinking of starting a new ranked team lol
    
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Yeah I'm thinking of starting a new ranked team lol

If so, let me be your jungler. Im dying to get offa solo que and into a dedicated ranked team.

I've jungled at Plat/Diamond ELO and did fairly well, I just suck at carrying and honing my mechancis when im so stressed on being able to carry a team out of a potential loss. It'd be so much easier to focus if i could play for a team.
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Yeah I'm thinking of starting a new ranked team lol
If you're in the need for an ADC I'd be interested in joining. Would be nice to do team ranked instead of solo Q.
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