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I don't care if "someone" used to duo with high gold players. As I just said, the system balances it out, so the winrate is as close to 50% as possible. Duo'ing with a higher rated player doesn't mean free wins.

If you know what I'm talking about, you wouldn't make that statement. Please read my post before you answer.

yeah of course it doesnt.

but if you bring someone of high gold, near plat skill level into a mid/low silver game, you can expect that gold player to be a major factor in majority of wins.

thats all im getting at. its all too common to see people duo way out of their skill range, then drop game after game after game when they dont duo. its called being carried.
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yeah of course it doesnt.

but if you bring someone of high gold, near plat skill level into a mid/low silver game, you can expect that gold player to be a major factor in majority of wins.

thats all im getting at. its all too common to see people duo way out of their skill range, then drop game after game after game when they dont duo. its called being carried.

Don't make me quote myself. Please read my last couple of posts.
 
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Don't make me quote myself. Please read my last couple of posts.

its been read. still changes nothing.

duoing with someone of much greater skill level gives you an advantage. this isnt a ticket to free wins, and i never said it was, but saying that Gold II playing with silver III and IV wont give you an advantage is just silly.

a win for sure? no, absolutely not.

a better chance at winning? yep. most certainly.

again, its called being carried.
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its been read. still changes nothing.

So you're just going to ignore and not consider what I posted. How nice you are.
 
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the thing about getting carried is that it's not like rankings are 100% accurate measures of skill or that skill increases linearly with ranking. like if you put a plat player with a bronze team and against team of high silvers, he could very well carry his team by winning every lane. having matchmaking based around fairness doesn't mean you can't very easily carry a team or player if you're just way better than everyone else playing
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the thing about getting carried is that it's not like rankings are 100% accurate measures of skill or that skill increases linearly with ranking. like if you put a plat player with a bronze team and against team of high silvers, he could very well carry his team by winning every lane. having matchmaking based around fairness doesn't mean you can't very easily carry a team or player if you're just way better than everyone else playing

I'm not saying the system is perfect, but as I stated earlier, my personal experience is that it's pretty common to still be pretty close to a 50% win rate with a rater unbalanced duo. There are obviously expections, the gap between a silver 5 and plat 5 is naturally smaller than a plat 5 and challenger, which are both two tiers away from each other. But when I duo with a silver/gold duo while I'm plat 1 doesn't give us an automatic win, and I've been close to this rank for over a year, so I don't think it's because I just had a lucky streak that let me get to Diamond last season.
 
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its been read. still changes nothing.
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So you're just going to ignore and not consider what I posted. How nice you are.

its been read and considered, but still i dont understand what you think it changes.

explain it in normal people words so my basic brain can understand please.
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I'm not saying the system is perfect, but as I stated earlier, my personal experience is that it's pretty common to still be pretty close to a 50% win rate with a rater unbalanced duo. There are obviously expections, the gap between a silver 5 and plat 5 is naturally smaller than a plat 5 and challenger, which are both two tiers away from each other. But when I duo with a silver/gold duo while I'm plat 1 doesn't give us an automatic win, and I've been close to this rank for over a year, so I don't think it's because I just had a lucky streak that let me get to Diamond last season.

again, i never said it was a guaranteed win.

i said......again......that duoing with a gold II when you are silver III gives you a better chance to win games. and again, that its called getting carried.

nobody wins every game. im sure there are golds and plats that lose games in bronze.

but regardless of how well you think "the system" balances it out, duoing with someone of much higher skill level than you AND your teammates AND your opponents most certainly gives you and your team an advantage.......
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I literally can't win a single game.
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again, i never said it was a guaranteed win.

i said......again......that duoing with a gold II when you are silver III gives you a better chance to win games. and again, that its called getting carried.

nobody wins every game. im sure there are golds and plats that lose games in bronze.

but regardless of how well you think "the system" balances it out, duoing with someone of much higher skill level than you AND your teammates AND your opponents most certainly gives you and your team an advantage.......
Lol you think LP ranking means something.

Very cute.
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again, i never said it was a guaranteed win.

i said......again......that duoing with a gold II when you are silver III gives you a better chance to win games. and again, that its called getting carried.

nobody wins every game. im sure there are golds and plats that lose games in bronze.

but regardless of how well you think "the system" balances it out, duoing with someone of much higher skill level than you AND your teammates AND your opponents most certainly gives you and your team an advantage.......

Okay, I give up. Agreeing to disagree is probably the best option, since you keep repeating yourself, and make me repeat myself as well.
 
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