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Yeah, but you have 3 different ~4K items. The items listed in the Lee Sin build are overall cheaper than your build.
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I should have been more clear.

His skill combo (EE,Q,R,Q) does over 1000 raw damage, without any items.

The items that I have listed were mostly tanky items.




All 6 of your items contribute to your DPS, and your damage is based almost entirely on them.

Lee Sin's skills in damage without ANY attack damage/ability power = 200+170+170+600=1140 damage.

This is not including auto attacks with the trinity force's proc, or the bonus damage on the last Q, or any other damage gained from items. Or the fact that his Q scales 0.9:1 with attack damage, and that his ulti scales 2:1 with attack damage

So there you have it. A **** ton of damage, while having 3.6k health from the build, 140 armour, 177 magic resist, 465 movement speed, tenacity.

All of this while still being cheaper than you Shaco build.
Ok, I was responding (not the face melt lee sin) to chia that you can have same results with another champ with 15k gold.

@Nhb93: I was not talking about the build zackcy mentioned about Lee Sin I was responding to chia, dumbass.
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So many dead bodies...
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I'd make a excruciatingly long post of the evaluation of today's meta but i don't think im going to bother.



Well , there are no other "tanky dps" archetype that has both a chase initiate and a long ass stun even with tenacity items.He still hurts after the initiate because his ult and sunfire is still doing damage to the team while he just mashes QWE sona-style to keep his fury bar up for ANOTHER STUN.

Comparison with garen is invalid because he has to catch you by surprise to harass you , whereas renekton can do it outright using EEWQ which is frankly free harass due to his stun and denies you farming.
He has a great tool kit -- But the damage output he does with the fact that he can initiate/stun is about it. Once he casts his stun/initiate. That's about it, he's not going to do much more after that.

Garen's Q is plenty fast enough especially with boots to catch basically anyone. No need to have a suprise as you stated. Garen often lanes with another champion. Garen works best in a lane with someone with a snare/stun. The same is said for Renekton.


EDIT: Here's a fun fact -- Did you know Garen with Boots of swiftness (like most build him with) can catch a renekton with his double dash when he picks any boots but swiftness?
My point being is that while he's somewhat tanky. His damage is lackluster to a lot of the tanky DPS, regardless of the tool kit. It's not all about the toolkit.
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Shaco's jack in the boxes are getting buffed again, Hell yeah. They mentioned all his spells are getting tweaked but thye only show the changes to jack in the boxes.


The changes they are doing to the jitb made me happy. I am excited to see the other changes to his spells.
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Oh god. Do. Not. Face check.

Morello said they "might have overdone" the Olaf buff, but I don't know about that.
Edited by Zackcy - 10/29/11 at 8:46am
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Oh god. Do. Not. Face check.
I know right? Garen 8.0 when it comes to dem bushes.
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in the chatroom....lets get a game goinggg!!!
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Lee Sin's skills in damage without ANY attack damage/ability power = 200+170+170+600=1140 damage.

This is not including auto attacks with the trinity force's proc, or the bonus damage on the last Q, or any other damage gained from items. Or the fact that his Q scales 0.9:0.9 with attack damage, and that his ulti scales 2:1 with attack damage
Yes , i can't deny that.He has really good scaling on his ult , but other than that , his other abilities doesn't come close to the ridiculous scaling on Udyr's tiger stance.Too bad due to(or very close to) 50% damage mitigation that damage is cut in half and would roughly equate to 25% of the carry's hp ; if not you'd see more pure tank lee sins now eh? I guess his high spell damage is to make up for his terribad attack speed scaling which is particularly prone to AS slows(try fighting a nasus lol , you'd feel like you were lagging).

I do think that his ult is really situational even 1v1 or in teamfights because you usually need flash to be up for it to work in your favor so i never really see it as terribly overpowered even against an enemy lee.

Lee is only good because he relies on the incompetence of players that don't know his kit well to get early kills.I'd say hes on par with GP though.

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You use Resonating Strike, to land your ulti.

Overall, high burst damage + tanky + gap closer = unstoppable.

And I have yet to play Udry.

I'd say Lee Sin is quite a ways better than GP.
Edited by Zackcy - 10/29/11 at 9:34am
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yessssss wu kong bufff. MY DUDE!
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