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I pretty much use the same set of masteries and runes for support character regardless if they are offensive or defensive. Masteries are 0/0/30, runes are gold per 5 quints, magic pen reds, mana yellow and cdr blues Start with a philospher stone, and you should be raking in the gold without killing a single creep. I've actually been carrying awful teams with janna, the last 4 games in ranked I played.

I used 0/0/30 for a while, but found it to be overkill in that tree. You gain far more from spreading into the defense tree in that you gain armor, MR, and health. 2 in MR and armor, then go down to the scarred eye, can't remember the name of it and I'm at work. I prefer cdr boots to cdr runes, using defensive runes throughout except quints allow you to take minimal dmg and focus on gold/sec items, mana regen, and support items like aegis and glacial shroud. The shroud also provides more cdr, and from masteries, boots and shroud you should be close to 30%. This is plenty as long as your team is not being overzealous and you're using your abilities in the appropriate instances, avoiding their use just because they're up.
    
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I used 0/0/30 for a while, but found it to be overkill in that tree. You gain far more from spreading into the defense tree in that you gain armor, MR, and health. 2 in MR and armor, then go down to the scarred eye, can't remember the name of it and I'm at work. I prefer cdr boots to cdr runes, using defensive runes throughout except quints allow you to take minimal dmg and focus on gold/sec items, mana regen, and support items like aegis and glacial shroud. The shroud also provides more cdr, and from masteries, boots and shroud you should be close to 30%. This is plenty as long as your team is not being overzealous and you're using your abilities in the appropriate instances, avoiding their use just because they're up.

At 1135 elo, the team is always overzealous, and I pretty much have to spam the tornado and shield constantly, the shroud i've never needed on Janna, since she has a lot of CC and is super fast due to her passive. I pretty much averaging almost 30 assists per game, with usually a max of 2 deaths if that.
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Was that using the type of build I suggested? Either way, good to hear you're getting the hang of him. Each support is different and fun to learn. I prefer supports myself, but I have to carry when I play with my IRL friends so I'm getting out of practice. Sona is by far my favorite, followed by Soraka and Janna. Zilean is fun and can be useful, just have to be very attentive, as your ultimate is your most powerful support ability and it requires timing. Keep it up!

It's pretty close to what you suggested. It’s so important to spam W so you can get your R up for the next team fight that I find myself needing mana regen asap. I have been going philo, boots, tear, cdr boots, AA staff and then aura items depending on what team needs. I think I need to change from a 9/0/21 to a 0/9/21 because I do seem to die easy at low lvls. The CDR and AP % penetration is still pretty tempting.
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It's pretty close to what you suggested. It’s so important to spam W so you can get your R up for the next team fight that I find myself needing mana regen asap. I have been going philo, boots, tear, cdr boots, AA staff and then aura items depending on what team needs. I think I need to change from a 9/0/21 to a 0/9/21 because I do seem to die easy at low lvls. The CDR and AP % penetration is still pretty tempting.

While the added dmg is nice, it isn't always necessary to maximize your dmg when playing support. It is highly dependent on your team setup and the opponents. Teams while early burst often times require you to go 0/9/21 so you can survive encounters while still being able to stay long enough to fill the support role. It is also dependent on your playstyle and what works for you. What works for someone doesn't always work for others. If your playstyle matched mine then I could tell you what I've found works best, but I don't know how you play.
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At 1135 elo, the team is always overzealous, and I pretty much have to spam the tornado and shield constantly, the shroud i've never needed on Janna, since she has a lot of CC and is super fast due to her passive. I pretty much averaging almost 30 assists per game, with usually a max of 2 deaths if that.

The shroud is for added CDR, mana and armor. Once upgraded to frozen heart, it provides your team with a CC aura lowering opponents attack speed. This can allow your tank to get other aura/CC items if they are not a champ that needs one. But like I said aboove, items depend on opponent team comps. With an overzealous team, you will definitely want added CDR so glyphs may be a good bet until you can escape your ELO.
    
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omg I hope they bring x-mas skins from last year in limited sale, I want to get workshop nunu and nutcracko!! I hope they bring a christmas tree maokai out. I would buy it.
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While the added dmg is nice, it isn't always necessary to maximize your dmg when playing support.

I use the AA staff for mana regen. It just so happens to increase my damage a little and the amount R heals as well biggrin.gif. I know this might not be ideal for other support champs, but it works for me with Zil. I know, spam spells less... but spamming W gets R off cooldown faster. Also, I get a good laugh out of speeding up Andy playing Nunu while on skype and Rammus as they fly across the screen.
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omg I hope they bring x-mas skins from last year in limited sale, I want to get workshop nunu and nutcracko!! I hope they bring a christmas tree maokai out. I would buy it.

They normally don't bring back old holiday skins, at least I haven't seen it happen yet. But christmas tree maokai would be awesome.
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I use the AA staff for mana regen. It just so happens to increase my damage a little and the amount R heals as well biggrin.gif. I know this might not be ideal for other support champs, but it works for me with Zil. I know, spam spells less... but spamming W gets R off cooldown faster. Also, I get a good laugh out of speeding up Andy playing Nunu while on skype and Rammus as they fly across the screen.

Oh there are definitely times where you want to get AP, its all just situational. I'm just sharing advice from my experiences; some games need AP, others need defensive items and auras. Shureylai's is just always awesome though.
    
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I'll add you and we can play sometime. Pretty positive on keithclark2010 account right now would have all wins in that history but had some terrible teams that would only run off alone. If we play I'll invite some of my goodish friends, and maybe 1 or 2 ranked buddies with that almost every enemy will surrender at 20. Lol.
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Not in the club yet, but my friend who just made gold in ranked got me playing. Only level 16 now but I'm learning fast. Oh and for the lulz just played a game with a guy who had every inv. Slot filled with boots..... Lmao
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