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Why armor pen over magic pen?
 
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now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. the point is that if someone who doesn't end up that great in the K/D/A area can still manage to help the team then I don't see the problem.

^This. Simca's points have been highly faulty and not associated with the concept of LoL since the beginning. The fact that anyone continued this conversation is foolish and you have been officially trolled.

Now, how is everyone today? biggrin.gif
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^This. Simca's point have been highly faulty and not associated with the concept of LoL since the beginning. The fact that anyone continued this conversation is foolish and you have been officially trolled.
Now, how is everyone today? biggrin.gif

Simca has some good points.

Let's say I go 1/8, I never ward, I cs horribly, I have terrible map awareness, but my teammates are OVERALL better than the other teams, enough to the point that my failure as a teammate doesn't cost us the game, and we win, I gain elo.

Now on the other team, their Ap mid went 10/1. He tried to secure every buff, he tried to organize his team for dragon, baron etc. He warded properly, he csed well. However, his teammates decided that engaging 1v5 was good, don't know what baron is, don't even know what dragon is as well. His team loses, and he loses elo.

Player 2 played FAR better, individually, and as a team member, where Player 1 was absolute dog **** at this game. Player 2, however, loses elo, and Player 1 gains it.
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Why armor pen over magic pen?

It's all about preference, in Taric's case his passive gives him mana based on auto attacks so this will give you more mana. But his passive is in turn completely useless, as he shouldn't be melee'ing at all as it will push lanes or take CS from the AD carry. I stopped playing Taric after the nerf to his ulti, as that was all I like about him. Not sure how good he is these days, but I know he works with specific ADs well (i.e. Vayne and Caitlyn).
    
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teammates

It is a team game, whether you like it or not. You want a system based solely on your own ability? Play chess.

Edit: It has already been said that players have reached high Elo on their own accord, and if you can't reach it alone or with a friend, then it just won't happen. If you can't seem to carry people, queue with someone who you know is good enough for the 2 of you to do well. Sometimes this doesn't work either. If this angers you to the point of ranting incessintly about it for several days, then stop playing the game. Riot isn't going to change it because it works, maybe not perfect, but no system does. It is the world we live in, and we are playing with real people. Some people play well one game and terrible the next. I know you don't memorize names of people you play with so you can't comment one way or another whether or not you constantly play with one terrible player all the time. Match history doesn't say much either, as it shows 10 games and most people have played 100s. If a truly valid point eventually gets made here I will consider it, but up to this point I have only read complaints that you can't carry the bad people, or bad people don't deserve to be carried now and then, when I can guarantee you've all had bad games as I've been witness to Simca having both great and terrible games. /Done with this topic, on to something more enjoyable/useful.
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So I decided to learn how to play support today.
Interestingly, I die much less than when I play any of my "main" characters. I find that this role can be quite rewarding, I love to see when I turn the tides of a fight: a pro heal, or catching someone in a stun at the last second. I saved my team from an ace at the end of this game with Shurelya's, which allowed us to turn around and win the game.
I'm interested to hear what kind of runes people would suggest for a support such as Taric. I'm currently using movement speed quints, flat MR glyphs, flat armor seals, and attack speed marks. I need to switch out the marks with something else, but I'm saving up for another batch of runes (only 1386 IP currently).

On the topic of runes, I would consider gold/5sec quints. This increases your ability to earn gold by a large amount, if you are supporting and not getting any CS like you should. Between the gold masteries in utility, gold/5 items, and the quints, you can make a substantial amount of gold while letting your AD carry farm to their hearts content. In bot lane I'd recommend mr/lvl glyphs for most opponents as you will be facing AD/support if both sides are following the meta and the support won't do too much dmg at low levels, aside from sona/karma/soraka. In those cases, you can always use flat MR. Flat armor seals are the way to go since you'll be facing the AD carry, and marks can be several different things. You can go flat armor marks if their team is AD heavy, flat MR if they are AP heavy, Magic pen if your team is in dire need of you to be doing extra dmg, or armor pen if you think you will need to harass with melee attacks. Armor pen is more useful on the supports with ranged attacks such as sona, soraka, and janna as they have harass abilities and fairly long ranges which they can use to harass the AD carry as they go for CS.

This is obviously not set in stone, just some advice for you to use while contemplating your build and playstyle. Your runes should match how you play the champ/game and will not feel perfect until you have found your style, none of us can really do that for you. Hope this helped some.

Edit: just an elaboration of my previous posting on your question to why armor pen over magic pen
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It's all about preference, in Taric's case his passive gives him mana based on auto attacks so this will give you more mana. But his passive is in turn completely useless, as he shouldn't be melee'ing at all as it will push lanes or take CS from the AD carry. I stopped playing Taric after the nerf to his ulti, as that was all I like about him. Not sure how good he is these days, but I know he works with specific ADs well (i.e. Vayne and Caitlyn).

Taric's abilities scale off of attack speed, not attack damage. So if you want lower cooldowns on heal when attacking, go attack speed reds/yellows/quints (your choice).
 
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Taric doesn't have to play as a pure support/babysitter. He can go dps in dominion and even win against sion in a duel if you play him right. Riot has been gradually nerfing support characters and making them more offensive. I use attack speed in my build but not my runes. Against a heavy ad team you can just get thornmail and starks and watch as your teammates suddenly turn into killers when they're around you (stuns, more armor shredding and bonus ad/ap are just icing).
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Because of this, we will always have poor match making.
Personal stats should show what you did in the game. If you're 0/10, you obviously fed that game and did poorly. Even if you have 22 assists.
Tanky DPS should have a combination of kills and assists, support should have a ton of assists, DPS/carries should have tons of kills.
And everyone should have minimal deaths. If you have a ton of deaths, you hurt your team either way you look at it.
So if someone is playing Sona, then they should have their assists count for more than kills.
If someone is playing Master Yi, they should have their kills count more than assists.
If someone is playing amumu, their assists, lack of deaths and perhaps to a lesser extent number of kills should matter.
If someone is playing Ryze, kills should matter more than assists.
But no matter who you're playing, you should not have a ton of deaths.
Maybe a point system should be created. 5 points for a kill -5 points for a death. +2.5 points for an assist.
X amount of points for damage done to towers/towers destroyed.
Sure, you won't calculate players 100% based on their decision in team fights, but I think this would be a better way of matching people up than win/loss ratio because it's clearly not working.

So basically, as long as I get kills and stay behind and never die, never do any warding, leave teamfights as soon as I secure my 5 ELO, etc. it doesn't work out.

QQ more, the game is a teamgame.
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QQ more, the game is a teamgame.

Do you realize who you just quoted? buttkick.gif

Of course there will be more QQ to follow...


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