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Honestly champion designs in this game don't make the slightest flick of sense.


Laning against Rumble as Cho'gath. I go OOM just trying to even out harass, while he can constantly hit me with cycles of flamespitters and harpoons. Why? Why? Why is this possible? I don't understand. Why do I run out of a resource, one that he doesn't have, for no cost? Why? Why does someone with the highest early game damage, resourceless?
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Off-topic: Evil thread page is evil.

On-topic: There's a lot of champions that are like that. I was trying ranked again, and was playing Ahri mid against Fiddlesticks. His drain gives him infinite lane sustain, I couldn't harass well due to his silence, and he kept destroying our team with his large AoE ult.

Fiddle's been really strong for awhile, yet Riot never tweaks him at all.
 
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Originally Posted by Tohru Rokuno View Post

Off-topic: Evil thread page is evil.
On-topic: There's a lot of champions that are like that. I was trying ranked again, and was playing Ahri mid against Fiddlesticks. His drain gives him infinite lane sustain, I couldn't harass well due to his silence, and he kept destroying our team with his large AoE ult.
Fiddle's been really strong for awhile, yet Riot never tweaks him at all.

Use taunt to break his W. Fiddlesticks gets destroyed by any mid with an ability to cancel his drain, or an AP who can push well.

Morgana, due to her spell shield and pushing capabilities, and her own spellvamp, would destroy a fiddle in lane.
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Honestly champion designs in this game don't make the slightest flick of sense.
Laning against Rumble as Cho'gath. I go OOM just trying to even out harass, while he can constantly hit me with cycles of flamespitters and harpoons. Why? Why? Why is this possible? I don't understand. Why do I run out of a resource, one that he doesn't have, for no cost? Why? Why does someone with the highest early game damage, resourceless?

What did you build first? Building items like merc treads and chalice will let you sustain against a magic dmg champ like rumble.

Were you last hitting? Again, worth burning mana to ensure last hits, as you get mana+hp return from the kills.

What spell were you ranking up? I used to play cho and would rank up my knock up first thing because it did a lot of dmg and CC. Bad idea because of how hard it is to land. One point is enough until you get 2 pts in your spikes and maxing out your silence first. Silence has a good AP ratio and base dmg and you can land it 99% of the time.

Counter build FTW!


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Originally Posted by Tohru Rokuno View Post

Off-topic: Evil thread page is evil.
On-topic: There's a lot of champions that are like that. I was trying ranked again, and was playing Ahri mid against Fiddlesticks. His drain gives him infinite lane sustain, I couldn't harass well due to his silence, and he kept destroying our team with his large AoE ult.
Fiddle's been really strong for awhile, yet Riot never tweaks him at all.

Fiddle is strong in a couple lanes, but only vs. champs that can't stop his W like Zacky said. You have to turn on your fiddle radar to know when he is coming out of a bush with a surprise party!
 
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I picked nidalee in tribute to this song.
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What did you build first? Building items like merc treads and chalice will let you sustain against a magic dmg champ like rumble.
Were you last hitting? Again, worth burning mana to ensure last hits, as you get mana+hp return from the kills.
What spell were you ranking up? I used to play cho and would rank up my knock up first thing because it did a lot of dmg and CC. Bad idea because of how hard it is to land. One point is enough until you get 2 pts in your spikes and maxing out your silence first. Silence has a good AP ratio and base dmg and you can land it 99% of the time.
Counter build FTW!
Fiddle is strong in a couple lanes, but only vs. champs that can't stop his W like Zacky said. You have to turn on your fiddle radar to know when he is coming out of a bush with a surprise party!

I got mercs and a negatron.


Overall, I am just venting. It's STUPID, that someone like Rumble with strong harass, doesn't use any mana.
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I got mercs and a negatron.
Overall, I am just venting. It's STUPID, that someone like Rumble with strong harass, doesn't use any mana.

Well, there is a huge pile of champs that don't use mana. People build cho tanky, there is no way you can win vs spell vamp when your tanky.
 
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I also agree that mana-less champs seem out of place. If you're going to make a champ have no mana, there has to be a bigger penalty for using your skills. For example, Vlad's mechanics are not so bad (in theory - argument of whether or not he's balanced atm is a totally different topic). Rumble's mechanics in theory should work as well, but a rumble who can manage himself doesn't fail from smart harassing. It makes it stupidly hard to balance champions who don't have mana because their entire kit become so much stronger. Kennen, Shen, Lee sin... just to name a few of the strongest champs in the game at the moment.

With that said, top lane is also probably the toughest lane in the game IMO, and requires the most understanding of the game in order to be played well. It's highly susceptible to counterpicks, counterbuilds, ganks, and requires really disciplined play. Rumble also happens to be one of the strongest top lanes in the game but his potential is pretty much untapped. If I played more top lane, I would invest time into him smile.gif. Ironically I use to main Cho top lane...
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So, I have been seeing people uninstalling this game more than 5 times now. Lets see how long it takes until they re install.
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So after I finished my frozen heart as Warwick, I decided to get a Thornmail. Tryndamere kills himself attacking me biggrin.gif
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