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If you can't kill a rumble with cho then you are unexperienced. Rumbles flame has a small aoe cone dmg projectile. Easily countered with a silence followed by a easy rupture when they are slow. The only champions that should give cho hard times are Yorick, lee sin, Orelia, and possibly jarvan. Last hitting with cho enables you to gain health and mana easily. Vorpal spikes early game makes cho a champion to not harass. Additionally any champions with range kiting abilities such as Kaitlyn or ashes might be a problem early game, but mid to late with armor makes them an ez gobble fest. Every champion has a counterpart ir counter build.
    
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Let me add to this by saying if you want to win, then realize champion capabilities. Plus the basics... last hitting, map awareness and communication
    
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A well skill Rumble can compete easily with a well skilled Cho. I don't think the matchup is as easy as you think. I also think people put too much emphasis on counterpicking in lower ELO ranges. Rumble v Cho looks like its obviously in favor of Cho, who has high sustain, a silence, and builds tanky MR items. But for example, I'm in the 1500s but top lane can still go either way, and is really more reliant on jungle ganks more than anything else. The problem is top lanes snowball hard. You fall behind once or twice and all of a sudden you're behind 2 kills and and 20-40+ CS. That's about 1k gold difference and enough for the enemy to buy an item that directly counters your champ (negatrons, armor, wriggles, etc). That's why I think disciplined play is the most important aspect of the lane; ie, don't take too much unnecessary damage, never waste cooldowns/mana on CS that you don't absolutely have to, don't push the lane further then you have to (yes that means standing there and ONLY making last hits) etc.

Cho is a very safe laner but not very people play or build him correctly. Very, very few people play him at optimal levels (hardly anyone plays him as well as hsgg). So if both champs were to be played perfectly, I agree Cho would win. But that's just not the case for most people.
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There are so many factors that can affect top lane game. I mean sure counter picking is one part of playing top. I'll take example for my favorite character, singed. Singed is an AWESOME champion. If he farms well he can become tanky, have massive disrupt, and even massive damage and slow. At a very good game I will have rougly 100-200 AP 200 Armor and 200 MR with well over 420 Movespeed. However, singed also has a lot of problems when picked. 1) he can't take harass as easily when it comes to laning phase compared to other top lanes (nidalee, gangplank just to name two). 2) he requires farming so if you get zoned effectively singed will be gimped. 3) jungle presence is also a big one, just having that fear factor of getting ganked will usually make players more passive rather than aggressive.

While these factors make it hard for any top lane. I think what it boils down to is how well you play against the other player, meaning are you building correctly, are you trading in a smart manner, are you blue pilling when you need to heal, are you last hitting correctly, etc. For example whenever I play against a Gangplank I go cloth and 5 pots, which sacrifices my run speed making me rather weak for ganks early levels. What I do is allow the Gangplank to harass me and effectively waste all his mana while I use my pots to last hit, trade poison+tosses with him. In the end its all about reading mana, energy, and timing cool downs and summoner spells.
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Two spell rotations and I am OOM, and he just flame spitters me all day x_x.

I probably should have not focused on trading, and just farmed.

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Random teemo game, had a lot of fun.
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Two spell rotations and I am OOM, and he just flame spitters me all day x_x.
I probably should have not focused on trading, and just farmed.
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Random teemo game, had a lot of fun.

Teemo dominates 1v1 vs a lot of champs. People always get mad when I go teemo top, but when were 14m in, i'm 6/0 with my tower down, they don't complain.
 
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There are so many factors that can affect top lane game. I mean sure counter picking is one part of playing top. I'll take example for my favorite character, singed. Singed is an AWESOME champion. If he farms well he can become tanky, have massive disrupt, and even massive damage and slow. At a very good game I will have rougly 100-200 AP 200 Armor and 200 MR with well over 420 Movespeed. However, singed also has a lot of problems when picked. 1) he can't take harass as easily when it comes to laning phase compared to other top lanes (nidalee, gangplank just to name two). 2) he requires farming so if you get zoned effectively singed will be gimped. 3) jungle presence is also a big one, just having that fear factor of getting ganked will usually make players more passive rather than aggressive.
While these factors make it hard for any top lane. I think what it boils down to is how well you play against the other player, meaning are you building correctly, are you trading in a smart manner, are you blue pilling when you need to heal, are you last hitting correctly, etc. For example whenever I play against a Gangplank I go cloth and 5 pots, which sacrifices my run speed making me rather weak for ganks early levels. What I do is allow the Gangplank to harass me and effectively waste all his mana while I use my pots to last hit, trade poison+tosses with him. In the end its all about reading mana, energy, and timing cool downs and summoner spells.

Your Singed videos have been inspiring biggrin.gif as well as your success story with him jumping over 200 ELO in that range... Looks like I'll take a break from bot lane and start playing top again!
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Hahaha I'm glad you like them smile.gif. Singed is an awesome character. Just start picking up on your basics and some of my videos show the ganks I do bot lane showing how awesome teleport is.
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I remeber a few months ago, everyone complained he was OP. He got nerfed a bit , the CC reduction hurt a little, but he is more or less the same. And everyone stops QQing about him.
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I don't always go top, but when I do, I go Kennen.
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