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See that's sometimes the issue I face, is that I stay out for a long time, get ~2k gold, level 6, but then the opponent goes back, gears up and gets to level 4-5. I just wonder who would have the advantage. Me who is slightly beat up but has a higher level and ult, or the opponent who has an item or two and a lower level. Once again, I know it's all subjective/situational, but just trying to come up with a general strategy.

Like Cynez said, if your opponent blue pills early, and you can get the creeps to their tower, you should blue pill. What you want to happen, is your opponent to be at base when their tower is killing your creeps.

This furthers your advantage in lane for 2 reasons, firstly they don't get to kill the creeps for money because their tower just did. Second, you start to out level them, due to the fact that they aren't around when creeps are dying.

If you can do this 2 or 3 times in the lane phase while keeping up CS, you will be 1-2 levels higher when it comes to mid game. If you have an excellent clearing champion (anivia, gragas, AP sion, cassiopea, ect.) You should blue pill when you can get 2 dorans and a ward. At this time, you should also be getting your first blue from the jungle, use this advantage to push your lane to the tower and ward the path near their wraiths. Proceed to kill their wraiths every time you get it pushed, just be mindful of the other lanes when you do.
 
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O NO! THE NUMBERS!!!
When in a solo lane (middle lane or top lane), try to farm while keeping you opponent harassed (to slow their farm) and keep farming yourself. It is best to last hit only, and keep the minions at your tower as long as possible so that your jungle can gank, and you can farm safely.
For a typical bottom lane, I generally go back after I can afford LVL2 boots, 2 dorans, 2 pots, and 1 ward. If you started with boots, it is a little more than starting with Dorans. If you win an early exchanged and get a kill, I typically go back right away. If it is first blood, I get back as soon as possible. You don't want to kill your opponent, only to have them come back with more items/hp/mana, so they push you back to your turret or kill you.
I don't think I have ever seen a trinity vayne since here release.

I'm one weird guy. I build 3 phantom dancer in Dominion with Ashe. Don't really get enough gold to get the other items.
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about that trinity on vayne. it works GREAT! just try it with friends and see how much it will give you after a roll

The issue with Tri Force on Vayne is not that it doesn't give you that extra dmg when you roll, but that you only have a tumble to use to proc the Tri Force during fights. You can normally get 2-3 tumbles and 1 condemn during a fight, and it is hard to space out the tumble and condemn to get them for optimal use of the Tri Force. In essence, you will get 2-3 procs from your Tri Force in a team fight when you attack an average of 10-15 times. An IE or BT will give you far greater dmg overall in a team fight on Vayne. In a 1v1 situation, the Tri Force will win because you can condemn an enemy into a wall, get proc, attack 2-3 times, tumble, get proc, attack 2-3 times, and they're dead. But if you tumble too soon you won't get the proc and you'll only proc once and attack prolly 5-6 times to kill the AD carry, still showing a negligible advantage from the Tri Force.

IE and BT are just far superior on Vayne, reason being that adding an item that requires timing for your full dmg potential on a champ that already requires timing adds too many places for error to occur on your teams most crucial dmg source.

Obviously my opinion here, just thought I would give you my reasoning behind it instead of just saying "Tri Force is trash on Vayne noob. Tits (i.e. BT or IE) or GT'eff'O!" lol tongue.gif
    
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Most typical build on vayne is bc, bt, ie and dual phantom. I'm always buying trinity instead of one phantom. This is why - hp, mp, movement speed, ad poitns, attack speed, crit chance, and those passives of trinity, while from pd you only get as, crit and movement. Dont look only at dmg, survi (adding some tiny bit of hp can prevent you from death from combo of ap) and many other things are also important. Trinity on vayne is very good imo.

Btw what boots are you buying on her. I had an argue with friend that she needs bersekers, im saying that all 300 ms carries should take boots of swiftness.
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so i troll build as yi yesterday lol 3 pd 3 bc lol it was great wink.gif just thought id share
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Most typical build on vayne is bc, bt, ie and dual phantom. I'm always buying trinity instead of one phantom. This is why - hp, mp, movement speed, ad poitns, attack speed, crit chance, and those passives of trinity, while from pd you only get as, crit and movement. Dont look only at dmg, survi (adding some tiny bit of hp can prevent you from death from combo of ap) and many other things are also important. Trinity on vayne is very good imo.
Btw what boots are you buying on her. I had an argue with friend that she needs bersekers, im saying that all 300 ms carries should take boots of swiftness.

Ideally the game shouldn't last long enough for you to finish that build. The reason Tri Force is so good on her there is because you already have the better items and wanted an extra item. But here's the thing:

HP: minimal gain, less than half of 1 auto attack from the AD carry late game
MP: decent, a few extra tumbles, but you shouldn't need all that many anyways, if you have time to tumble then you could have auto attacked 2-3 times in a team fight
MS: With boots and phantom dancer, the return on the move speed is negligible as the return decreases as you come closer to the cap, and her speed increases while chasing anyways.
AD: Ok increase
AS: Not all that much attack speed when you have berzerker's greaves, BC and PD already.
Crit: gives what, 12% crit? Not too significant when you've already broken 50%
Passive: The only real benefit to the item, but you already have tumble. There are other items like BT or the new Hexdrinker (the Maw something) that will give you more survivability, as you should build something to help you live besides another PD.

Edit: And yes, berzerker's are ideal on all AD carries, especially Vayne. If they run from you, you already run faster. If they chase you, you have tumble. You shouldn't need 3 speeds on any AD carry, it hurts your early game dmg too much as you attack slower than your opponent so they should in theory win all trades/fights without it being 2v1 or 3v2.
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Trinity is such an overrated item, more like only Irelia needs it badly. Sheen for tumble proc ? her Q got nerfed so who you gonna harass? their AD carry ? Dorans/Vamp Scepter pwned. You don't even use the AP, just for extra damage of one spell use? I would invest in a BF sword, might be a lil better than Sheen, but it's worth it and much much better.
I only get TriForce if the game is really long and I'm considering selling my boots. But yeah you can get it in Dominion biggrin.gif
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Trinity is such an overrated item, more like only Irelia needs it badly. Sheen for tumble proc ? her Q got nerfed so who you gonna harass? their AD carry ? Dorans/Vamp Scepter pwned. You don't even use the AP, just for extra damage of one spell use? I would invest in a BF sword, might be a lil better than Sheen, but it's worth it and much much better.
I only get TriForce if the game is really long and I'm considering selling my boots. But yeah you can get it in Dominion biggrin.gif

Only people I have ever considered worthy of tri force are:

Top lane- Irelia, Jarvan, Blitz
Bot- Corki
    
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lee? nasus? renekton? talon? shaco? skarner? gp? there are lots of champs that are using trinity very well.
Edited by prznar1 - 4/2/12 at 12:47pm
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Trundle is also good with a tri force, but I seem to be the only one that plays that hero.
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