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I know people say that you can carry on a support, even in "Elo hell," but this is just so much easier.

Yes because Graves is so easy to play and hard to counter.
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I suppose so... but so many people have more range that could zone him if played right. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking Urgot and Sivir would be great counters.

edit: I've seen a couple of people mention that Graves is so easy to play. What makes him easier than others? I only really have experience with Trist and Sivir, so I suppose my AD carry knowledge is fairly limited to what I've seen from a support point of view.
 
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Lulz , someone just said that ryze counters kat mid.I lol'd hard.
    
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lf: duo queue partner.

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I suppose so... but so many people have more range that could zone him if played right. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking Urgot and Sivir would be great counters.
edit: I've seen a couple of people mention that Graves is so easy to play. What makes him easier than others? I only really have experience with Trist and Sivir, so I suppose my AD carry knowledge is fairly limited to what I've seen from a support point of view.

His Q does good dmg within a nice area, and his E is real easy skill to use to get out of situations since it causes him to dash, almost a mini flash you could say.
     
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I tried the Talon builds. I like him MUCH more. His W and R do a ton more damage, gets me a kill every time. Even though I got the most kills from both teams, I played with two AFK'ing teams in a row. mad.gif
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Am I the only one who still consistently plays Lulu? It seems most players have given up on her even though she can be really good, especially with the updated mage items.

I love playing her with my Teemo build, so much fun with that attack speed and shield buff.

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I suppose so... but so many people have more range that could zone him if played right. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking Urgot and Sivir would be great counters.
edit: I've seen a couple of people mention that Graves is so easy to play. What makes him easier than others? I only really have experience with Trist and Sivir, so I suppose my AD carry knowledge is fairly limited to what I've seen from a support point of view.

Sivir has short range and only her q could be used to potentially out range him, so she doesn't counter him. Urgot can harass him a lot, but will lose encounters if he's aggressive with a high dps or CC support like Sona or Ali. If he has a sustain support like Soraka, Urgot can harass but he'll still get CS and it will have been for nothing in the end. Cait can kind of zone him but he'll just engage at around level 3 or 4 and destroy Cait, making that not worthwhile either. MF is my choice for countering him with her slightly longer range, dot/attack speed buff, her slow, and double shot. Played right, she can shut him down early, but if he's allowed to farm later, he will out carry her unless she continues to farm hard and ends it early. At least from my experience.
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Sivir has short range and only her q could be used to potentially out range him, so she doesn't counter him. Urgot can harass him a lot, but will lose encounters if he's aggressive with a high dps or CC support like Sona or Ali. If he has a sustain support like Soraka, Urgot can harass but he'll still get CS and it will have been for nothing in the end. Cait can kind of zone him but he'll just engage at around level 3 or 4 and destroy Cait, making that not worthwhile either. MF is my choice for countering him with her slightly longer range, dot/attack speed buff, her slow, and double shot. Played right, she can shut him down early, but if he's allowed to farm later, he will out carry her unless she continues to farm hard and ends it early. At least from my experience.

MF is my choice as well on SR as well as dominion. If you're of equal skill, the fraudulent graves will get the upper hand but if you outplay him it suddenly becomes free.
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MF is my choice as well on SR as well as dominion. If you're of equal skill, the fraudulent graves will get the upper hand but if you outplay him it suddenly becomes free.

Pretty much, she's the hardest for him to do that to fortunately. Trist has potenial once you hit 6, while Vayne has a weaker laning phase than others due to her higher learning curve and reliance on timing and positioning. And Ashe.... I feel she is pretty much a no no vs. Graves.
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First time Udyr win.

I just built according to the other team and managed to just be a walking stun. D: mad.gif
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