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I think Ziggs has him beat, but Veigar is definitely 2nd...
nah, there is nothing better then one shot enemy ap, or two shoting tank xD
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Yay for feeding alis. We were actually kicking ass, until ali started initiating 3v5 fights... in which he died every time and gave them the advantage.
Anyone wanna help me out of elo hell?

Only if I have a 1k Elo smurf I would be glad to help you
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Thoughts on the new AD carry?

I just played a custom game to try out his abilities... From what I can tell, he can definitely be a beast. I like how you can make a choice between going for early damage with Q or a lot of control with E. I think I'm favoring a build in which you level E then Q then W.

Going back a couple of pages with what champions could counter Graves... If a Varus is leveling E first, Graves is going to be forced to save his steroid for escaping, because of the ridiculous slow that E applies to the ground... and furthermore, if the enemy is caught and slowed, healing on them is reduced, thus, catching someone out of position is going to be very hard to come back from.

I'm excited to play him with a good support. Shall be a lot of fun!
 
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I just downloaded and started playing around a bit. Friend of mine that's been playing since beta suggested I start playing Annie since I like glass-cannon type magic users - but I'm curious as to how well she can fare in actual PvP combat (I'm just doing bots right now to get the hand of things).

Also, what would be some recommendations for a melee based champion for a similar style of glass-cannon type play? Or perhaps even just a high damage, hit-and-run type of melee?


Seems fun so far but a definite learning curve. Any tips for a newbie would be greatly appreciated! redface.gif
    
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Only if I have a 1k Elo smurf I would be glad to help you

I has friend account at 1200 elo, you can use it tongue.gif
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I just downloaded and started playing around a bit. Friend of mine that's been playing since beta suggested I start playing Annie since I like glass-cannon type magic users - but I'm curious as to how well she can fare in actual PvP combat (I'm just doing bots right now to get the hand of things).
Also, what would be some recommendations for a melee based champion for a similar style of glass-cannon type play? Or perhaps even just a high damage, hit-and-run type of melee?
Seems fun so far but a definite learning curve. Any tips for a newbie would be greatly appreciated! redface.gif

Annie has always been a viable AP my choice for those just starting out and veteran players alike. They just gave her a slight buff to increase her viability in competitive play. I would agree with your friend that she is a good place to start off since she has very high burst damage and is easy to play.

The glass cannon type AD champs are normally the ranged AD carries. Most of the melee champs are played tanky so that you can live through a confrontation but those that shine are the ones who have good damage and can take damage. I would suggest playing the free champs for a while, just trying them all as much as possible and seeing which ones you like and go from there.
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Varus isn't that good. Arrows in the knee have been countered by crossbow bolts in the chest.

I've been wrecking people on Varus, unfortunately my teams have liked to feed their lanes. But I haven't lost the laning phase yet on Varus, just hard to out carry fed Jaxs and Olafs.... frown.gif
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Thoughts on the new AD carry?

I think people are still struggling to figure out how make the most of him.

I have not bought him, so I have no play experience with him. From some of the streams I watched and me laneing against him, it seems like everyone is too busy trying to harass with their Q and E and mana starve themselves. Then they get a chance to apply 2 or 3 stacks of blight on someone. Both Q and E are on cool down and they are unable to detonate it. Then again, maybe W provides poor damage and isn’t worth always have a skill up to detonate blight on the chance you were able to get a few auto attacks off.
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I think people are still struggling to figure out how make the most of him.
I have not bought him, so I have no play experience with him. From some of the streams I watched and me laneing against him, it seems like everyone is too busy trying to harass with their Q and E and mana starve themselves. Then they get a chance to apply 2 or 3 stacks of blight on someone. Both Q and E are on cool down and they are unable to detonate it. Then again, maybe W provides poor damage and isn’t worth always have a skill up to detonate blight on the chance you were able to get a few auto attacks off.

What I've found most effective on Varus is to do the following:
  1. Kill a creep (for the 20% AS buff)
  2. Slow AD carry with E
  3. Attack 2-3 times
  4. Shot them with Q
  5. If lvl 6 or higher, snare with ult and repeat steps 2-4 as needed
  6. Smile as game announces your kill and repeat steps 1-5

Supports with CC are also ideal for Varus. He is more of a kill lane ranged AD than anything else, which is great fun in my opinion. It's like playing Graves and Leona/Alistar bot, but at level 6 you can provide CC similar to Ashe with the damage output of Graves.
    
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I just downloaded and started playing around a bit. Friend of mine that's been playing since beta suggested I start playing Annie since I like glass-cannon type magic users - but I'm curious as to how well she can fare in actual PvP combat (I'm just doing bots right now to get the hand of things).
Also, what would be some recommendations for a melee based champion for a similar style of glass-cannon type play? Or perhaps even just a high damage, hit-and-run type of melee?
Seems fun so far but a definite learning curve. Any tips for a newbie would be greatly appreciated! redface.gif

Hit-and-run, sounds like Dunk Yi
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What I've found most effective on Varus is to do the following:
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How is his late game compared to other ranged carries (assuming you weren’t get crazy fed during lane)?
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Thoughts on Varus so far:
(Bot game tested, very short laning phase with Leona.)

Definitely able to hit really hard once you get full stacks on an enemy.
Very easy to kill steal if they have a high stack count and you can land that Q.
Typical "combo" is exactly what Crunk mentioned.
Auto attacking in between spells are VERY important.
Very high micro managing required. If you rather right click to win, find another AD carry.
Q scales off AD
W scales off AP
E scales off AD
R scales off AP
Micro managing again! Make sure you get those last hits on creeps if you can before harassing/initiating. Attack speed ain't no joke.
Fits a more aggressive play style.
Works well with aggressive support heroes.

Not entirely sure how viable he will be in a normal game yet but he's sitting at around "acceptable/for fun" in my books for now.

Edit: His ult may not travel as fast as you expect it. (Spreading from enemy to enemy.)
Edited by thisispatrick - 5/9/12 at 8:06am
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