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Thoughts on Varus so far:
(Bot game tested)
Definitely able to hit really hard once you get full stacks on an enemy.
Very easy to kill steal if they have a high stack count and you can land that Q.
Typical "combo" is exactly what Crunk mentioned.
Auto attacking in between spells are VERY important.
Very high micro managing required. If you rather right click to win, find another AD carry.
Q scales off AD
W scales off AP
E scales off AD
R scales off AP
Micro managing again! Make sure you get those last hits on creeps if you can before harassing/initiating. Attack speed ain't no joke.
Fits a more aggressive play style.
Works well with aggressive support heroes.
Not entirely sure how viable he will be in a normal game yet but he's sitting at around "acceptable/for fun" in my books for now.

He's like most other AD champs that have AP scaling to avoid significant snowballing. It's like playing Kog.
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How is his late game compared to other ranged carries (assuming you weren’t get crazy fed during lane)?

He becomes highly bursty late game with only an IE and PD. Couple auto attacks, an E to slow, couple autos then a Q and you've taken any squishy to dead or a tank to possibly half HP.
    
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Hit-and-run, sounds like Dunk Yi

This is the closest you'll get, and glass cannon yi doesn't work as well at higher level of play.
    
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Fizz is a good hit and run.

Played one game yesterday and it had a Varus in top, I was jungling and was able to constantly gank top because he would push it to the tower. A fed dragon is a scary dragon thumb.gif
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A big thing people don't do is watch the minimap for what the other team is doing...I'd say that's the most critical thing, beyond getting comfortable last-hitting and trying to harass to zone in lane.

If you're looking for guides for your champ, mobafire.com is a great place because it has a lot of guides, but if you go to solomid.net, and go through their approved guides, oftentimes those guides have a detailed list of what to do against certain champions (say you're playing vayne and you're up against a cait bot lane, etc etc)
 
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A big thing people don't do is watch the minimap for what the other team is doing...I'd say that's the most critical thing, beyond getting comfortable last-hitting and trying to harass to zone in lane.

If you're looking for guides for your champ, mobafire.com is a great place because it has a lot of guides, but if you go to solomid.net, and go through their approved guides, oftentimes those guides have a detailed list of what to do against certain champions (say you're playing vayne and you're up against a cait bot lane, etc etc)

I would highly recommend solomid.net over mobafire.com. Also, make sure to take the time to figure out WHY the items are being used and suggested. Read multiple guides. Then take a test drive into a bot game and see what works with your playstyle. Even if you watch the pros, they all build and play differently. Learning how to build effectively is going to help you win more. For example, if say, your jungler feeds the person you're laning against, it may be a smart move to build a quick defensive item to offset the extra damage that the enemy has. Not dying in your lane is going to help you farm more, and help your team by keeping the enemy less fed than they might have been.
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He becomes highly bursty late game with only an IE and PD. Couple auto attacks, an E to slow, couple autos then a Q and you've taken any squishy to dead or a tank to possibly half HP.

Honestly, I love how he is going to be similar to Vayne as a tank killer. At level 18 (typically when you're going to have maxed W), blowing up 3 Blight will deal ~15% of the MAX HP, prior to resistances. With a decent attack speed, you'll be able to AAx3, E, AAx3, Q, which should have about ~50% of a tanks life quite quickly. This will make it great for picking off a tank that engages early, and due to the somewhat short nature of Varus' CDs, by the time you pick a new target and get 3 Blight up, you should be able to E again.

Granted, I'm not saying walk into a fight and target the tank, but if you meet one solo, or catch one out of position, you're in a good spot to take them down quickly.
 
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From what I've seen, in a team fight he's a carry bot just like anyone else. His cc fits into a large spectrum of team cc available for team fights, and his damage isn't any faster or burstier than any of the other ad or ap carries. Plus he's kind of slow. The one thing I'd say he has that a lot of other champs don't is that spammable skillshot with a long range.

But I agree with your assessment about solomid.net. And it's always a good idea to play a practice game or two to get a feel for what you're doing with a new champ. Then at least a couple normal games before you go into ranked. This helps you figure out what your damage looks like at various levels. Every champ, with every different rune configuration, has a different autoattack damage, which affects how you CS, and they all scale differently. Knowing whether you can dive for a kill and just how much damage you're going to do at level 10 can be the difference between a sweet kill or an utter failure as you get kited to death under a turret.
 
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I just downloaded and started playing around a bit. Friend of mine that's been playing since beta suggested I start playing Annie since I like glass-cannon type magic users - but I'm curious as to how well she can fare in actual PvP combat (I'm just doing bots right now to get the hand of things).
Also, what would be some recommendations for a melee based champion for a similar style of glass-cannon type play? Or perhaps even just a high damage, hit-and-run type of melee?
Seems fun so far but a definite learning curve. Any tips for a newbie would be greatly appreciated! redface.gif

Hit-and-run, sounds like Dunk Yi

That's a car accident , not a champion.
    
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I would highly recommend solomid.net over mobafire.com. Also, make sure to take the time to figure out WHY the items are being used and suggested. Read multiple guides. Then take a test drive into a bot game and see what works with your playstyle. Even if you watch the pros, they all build and play differently. Learning how to build effectively is going to help you win more. For example, if say, your jungler feeds the person you're laning against, it may be a smart move to build a quick defensive item to offset the extra damage that the enemy has. Not dying in your lane is going to help you farm more, and help your team by keeping the enemy less fed than they might have been.
Honestly, I love how he is going to be similar to Vayne as a tank killer. At level 18 (typically when you're going to have maxed W), blowing up 3 Blight will deal ~15% of the MAX HP, prior to resistances. With a decent attack speed, you'll be able to AAx3, E, AAx3, Q, which should have about ~50% of a tanks life quite quickly. This will make it great for picking off a tank that engages early, and due to the somewhat short nature of Varus' CDs, by the time you pick a new target and get 3 Blight up, you should be able to E again.
Granted, I'm not saying walk into a fight and target the tank, but if you meet one solo, or catch one out of position, you're in a good spot to take them down quickly.

I almost 1v1'd a 11/1 Lee sin on my 5/1 Varus at about 40 mins because of this. All that saved him was an ignite ult that kicked me away and ignite killed me. I didn't have my ult for the fight frown.gif

His w passive is OP for his spells, which is why I prioritze spells E > W > Q; E for cooldown on slow and extra dmg, the W for the boost in spell dmg, and finally the Q to lower its cooldown as well. The dmg increases aren't as great for leveling E and Q because the scaling seems better than the initial dmg, so I level them for the CDR.
    
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I was thinking about going with something similar. I find the choice between W and Q to be quite difficult... but due to how high the AD ratio is on Q, I could see how going for W could be more beneficial. I'm excited to play him in more games as I feel like he is going to have so many possibilities.

.... Hmm... I'm trying to think of how to build Varus, as you would initially think that attack speed would be most beneficial... but until your CD on your spells is lower, you're going to have plenty of time to build 3 stacks before using a spell. Do you think that building boots > IE/BT > (whichever you didn't do before) > PD would be viable? Trying to pace this out in my mind, as I'm still newer to AD carries, but I would think that you would be wanting to finish your PD around level 16 or so. Perhaps, boots > IE > PD? And then, since W is going to be magic damage, and a significant portion of your damage (depending on what your enemies build), I could see saving Last Whisper for late game to be very viable.
 
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How are you guys liking the new ap items? (deathfire grasp, wota)

I just played veigar a few times and I like the extra ap from deathfire grasp. It was a short 3v3 so idk how I'll hold up without the extra mana regen.
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