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Hello, I've recently been looking into watercooling and I have pretty much a setup figured out. This is my first time WC. But I can't really decide on my pump and res. It will at first only be a cpu-loop, but I will later expand with one gpu(no sli/xfire) and possibly ram.

These parts im pretty sure about:
EK Supreme HF
RX360

For pump/res I'm comsidering two options.
Option 1:
EK-DCP 4,0
EK-Bay SPIN Reservoir

This setup would be a little troublesome to install as I will have to cut holes to fasten the pump and the res doesn't fit in my 5.25" bay without cutting out some small aluminium plates that are in the way. I also read the res can be a pain to bleed.

Option 2:
XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25 Reservoir for Laing D5
Alphacool VPP655

My concern about this setup is mainly that the pump will be quite noisy. I've read that some people turn it down from the max performance of 5 to 3 because of noise. But I guess it depends a lot how well the res absorb the vibritions. Perhaps there's somebody who has experience with this combo?

Generally I'm looking for something that has a good performance/noise combination and looks good in my case. So perhaps some of you have insights and recommandations that can help me choose.

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post #2 of 18
First things first...please buddy it´s called choice

EK Supreme HF is fine ...for a cpu only loop a the res/pump combo is also ok but if you want somethinga bit more silent and at the same time wanna save some bugs get the XSPC res/pump Dual Bay combo.
But keep in mind that will only cover a CPU loop if maybe you wanna expand in the future get a better pump like Laing DDC 1T that can be modded to an Ultra or even a D5.

RX360 also great just give the pump matter a little thought and you are set.
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post #3 of 18
The water block and radiator are fine choices, you can't go wrong with them.

I have the XSPC bay reservoir and it works a treat. Saying this, though, the EK Spin reservoir does look very neat however comes at a price. I can tell you that the XSPC reservoir is excellent at doing it's job but the final decision is up to you.

I can tell you that the DDC pumps are excellent pumps despite the noise, in my reservoir the pump is noisy unless you dampen it with spare tubing cut lengthways like I did. I just wedges it between the reservoir and the chassis.
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post #4 of 18
I would get the XSPC Dual Bay Reservoir Pump. It'll be more than enough to run a CPU and GPU loop, even with multiple radiators. It's also pretty quiet.

Finally, it's also your cheapest option at $60.
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post #5 of 18
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I have considered the XSPC Dual Bay res/pump, but I'm a little concerned it's not powerfull enough. I mean it might be, but I don't know that much about pumps, so I would rather be on the safe side.

I made this illustration of how I imagine my setup might look down the line and I want a pump that leaves room for these expansions.

It goes like this: res>pump>3x120 rad>cpu>gpu>1x120 rad>ram>res

I actually haven't looked much into the Laing DDC-1T, but perhaps I can find a top that is quiet.
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post #6 of 18
Like we have all told you the XSPC res/pump combo does a great job in being quiet and cheap however its power and endurance is ultimately sufficient for a cpu loop only ....so if you are sure you would like the cpu in a seperate loop or won´t water cool the other components then get the Dual Bay XSPC res/pump...if you want GPU & RAM in the same loop you might wanna consider getting a more powerful pump like Laing DDC or D5.

As in terms of loop order res->pump->rad->block is the best way(considering you chose the tidest and cleanest loop config) as in your picture the 120 before the RAM is redundant ....In your case I would recommend placing it like this...res->pump->360+120->(CPU->GPU->RAM)->res

The loop order of the components marked with () however is irrelevant.


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I have considered the XSPC Dual Bay res/pump, but I'm a little concerned it's not powerfull enough. I mean it might be, but I don't know that much about pumps, so I would rather be on the safe side.

I made this illustration of how I imagine my setup might look down the line and I want a pump that leaves room for these expansions.

It goes like this: res>pump>3x120 rad>cpu>gpu>1x120 rad>ram>res

I actually haven't looked much into the Laing DDC-1T, but perhaps I can find a top that is quiet.
The 1T is more than powerful enough for the setup you have proposed. Remember that loop order doesn't matter, set it up however you want. Furthermore, the pump is quiet in itself and when mounted on vibration-reducing material can easily be made silent.
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post #8 of 18
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So it seems the ultimate pump is this guy, it's just a question of whether I want to pay the price?
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post #9 of 18
OK the last time^^

The question of what pump you should get is answerd by asking yourself what purpose it is supposed to serve?and what is required of it.

So you want to cool your CPU , GPU and RAM if I read correctly.
Like I said before if you chose to do a single loop for the CPU and a seperate loop for the other components go for the XSPC Dual Bay res/pump combo because it is silent , provides the power and endurence needed for a CPU loop and is not too expensive in comparison to the competition which is what you are looking for I believe.

If you decide to go for a all in one loop I would recommend a pump with a good flowrate which will give you better temps and an acceptable head pressure ....the D5 series is very popular right now the cheapest is the Alphacool VPP655 but also an even cheaper Laing DDC 1T with a good top would do the job(note that the DDC 1T can be easily modified to serve the power level of a DDC Ultra which has even more power).

As in terms of loop order....a lot of people say it does not matter but I say it does.
In my experience res-pump-rad-block-res brings the best results because the heat being disposed from the pump can be neutralized as it instantly gets cooled by the radiator...and the cooled water loses the least amount of its cooling ability because it can immediately reach the blocks.
Any other configuration would add the 18W of heat the water is forced to dissipate because of the pumps heat disposal and the way the water has to travel plus the friction it is exposed to before it can finally reach your blocks to cool them.
The 35X is exorbitant and not required in your case.

The order of what block comes first is indeed irrelevant though no argue about that
So I would recommend Res->Pump->120+360 rads->(CPU,GPU,RAM)...you should configure the order of the blocks to result in the tidest and cleanest way that will require the least amount of tubing.This way they will give you the best cooling results that you can achieve with your WC gear.

Solved I think
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post #10 of 18
Loop order does not matter at all. The combined heat dump of the pump and friction from the tubes can not exceed the wattage of the pump, so if you're using an 18W DDC:

1 GPM of flow (Usually have more)
260w of power to heat the water 1C.

18W/260W/C = 0.07C

So less than a 0.1C difference by having the pump in between the radiators and waterblocks vs. before the radiators. Not really much to worry about there.
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