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that is a tough one. the dayton seems not as good, but yet seems like a better brand.

The audiosource has 175watts RMS while the dayton is only 150watts and labeled as peak and not RMS.

That is a tough one. Look up reviews i guess.
It's 150W RMS, I've seen and heard the sub before. Also, I don't understand what your wrote, highlighted in bold.
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Why was it stopped just wondering?
It's out of stock at the moment.
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Just go get a rockford P3 15in and then power it with a 1000watt amp. You will be able to shake the neighbors house.
That's a car subwoofer.
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It's 150W RMS, I've seen and heard the sub before. Also, I don't understand what your wrote, highlighted in bold.

It's out of stock at the moment.
By it seems, i mean it has less specs, but seems like a better quality sub.

I looked at the specs of both subs on the links provided. The 175watts was RMS and the other sub only says Peak, not RMS.

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Peak Power Handling - Speakers:150 watts
Peak is not the same as RMS.

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That's a car subwoofer.
Your point is?
Never stopped anybody. Plus think about it. 175 watts RMS vs 300 watts RMS. And better yet the P3 is 1000watts peak.
for reference.
http://www.ehow.com/how_4448174_subw...er-system.html
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I would take them up on it lol.
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By it seems, i mean it has less specs, but seems like a better quality sub.

I looked at the specs of both subs on the links provided. The 175watts was RMS and the other sub only says Peak, not RMS.


Peak is not the same as RMS.



Your point is?
Never stopped anybody. Plus think about it. 175 watts RMS vs 300 watts RMS. And better yet the P3 is 1000watts peak.
for reference.
http://www.ehow.com/how_4448174_subw...er-system.html
Car subs are about SPL not sound accuracy.

For home theater (includes music, movies, gaming), I'd rather have accuracy than car-shaking loud unbalanced bass frequency.
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Specs say nothing about audio equipment. With that said, Audio source's subwoofers are cheaply made. I would stay away.

The PSW112 can be found on sale for about half that price. That sub is clearly overpriced.
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Car subs are about SPL not sound accuracy.

For home theater (includes music, movies, gaming), I'd rather have accuracy than car-shaking loud unbalanced bass frequency.
You do realize i didn't just say " oh hey put a loud car sub" No, I linked a Rockford Fosgate P3 sub. Probably one of the best subs you can put in a car as far as I am concerned.
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Your point is?
Never stopped anybody. Plus think about it. 175 watts RMS vs 300 watts RMS. And better yet the P3 is 1000watts peak.
for reference.
http://www.ehow.com/how_4448174_subw...er-system.html
There is a reason why car subwoofers are made specifically for cars. I'm not here to patronize you, but 1000 watts peak? For how long? A millisecond perhaps.

Home theater subwoofers starting from the enclosure to the drivers themselves. RMS does not have any technical significance pertaining to power , common misconception here. Manufactures just use it to play their numbers game.

HT subs are designed differently than a car sub. Car subs are designed for compact, small enclosed space, while the prior are designed for larger rooms.

I'm sure if you took a car sub and used it in a tiny 12X10 room, it would be OK, but they do not move nearly enough air to provide a good HT experience in larger areas.
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There is a reason why car subwoofers are made specifically for cars. I'm not here to patronize you, but 1000 watts peak? For how long? A millisecond perhaps.

Home theater subwoofers starting from the enclosure to the drivers themselves.

HT subs are designed differently than a car sub. Car subs are designed for compact, small enclosed space, while the prior are designed for larger rooms.

I'm sure if you took a car sub and used it in a tiny 12X10 room, it would be OK, but they do not move nearly enough air to provide a good HT experience in larger areas.

Not to be hard headed, but you clearly know absolutely nothing about a P3.

Go ask anybody who knows anything about car audio or audio in general, Go ask them about rockford products. They will most likely tell you that they are some of the top of the line products.

You have also clearly never heard a P3. To put it this way. The P1 which is the lowest of the punch series, can shake windows on a house that is well over 50 feet away, with a single 300Watt sub. Not 300watt RMS, 300watts peak. Only 150watts RMS. The punch subs are extremely accurate when tuned properly. When they say 1000watts peak, they mean like, a single beat from the audio can go into the 1000 watt range, while continues bass can be about 500watts.

You should really go learn about rockford products before generalizing them into what most car audio is.
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This 150 dollar thing? You are telling me this sub can out perform a decent HT sub? I hate to be rude, but you sir are way over your head. Your claims about it being able to:

"shake windows on a house that is well over 50 feet away, with a single 300Watt sub"

is so irrelevant, its actually funny. Do yourself a favor and do some research about audio equipment.

Tell me another thing... How would you power this thing with a home receiver (2ohm load LOL)? You would need a very powerful rated external amp, since the operating voltage is low on these subs.

No way, OP could even power this thing at home.
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Amazon.com: Rockford Fosgate Punch P3 P3D212 12-Inch 500-Watt Subwoofer - 2 Ohm: Electronics


This 150 dollar thing? You are telling me this sub can out perform a decent HT sub? I hate to be rude, but you sir are way over your head. Your claims about it being able to:

"shake windows on a house that is well over 50 feet away, with a single 300Watt sub"

is so irrelevant, its actually funny. Do yourself a favor and do some research about audio equipment.

Tell me another thing... How would you power this thing with a home receiver (2ohm load LOL)? You would need a very powerful rated external amp, since the operating voltage is low on these subs.

No way, OP could even power this thing at home.
I now know two things. You underestimate a rockford sub, and you FAIL to read stuff that people post. Why don't you go read the information in the link I posted and not make yourself look like an idiot that is ready to jump on the gun and accuse people of stuff. I didn't just say that for no reason, I know for a fact you can run a car sub along side a HT system and have it sound good while doing it.

When i said the window shaking thing, I didn't say that from thinking, I said that from experiance.

Friend with 12 in rockford + 1000watt Visonik amp + him sitting in drive way = him not having to knock on my front door.

You have to remember, the sub you linked is JUST the sub and nothing else, no amp or anything.
The HT subs you are showing include amps. We all know that a speaker is only as good as the source of the audio, so if you are paying 180 dollars for a sub and an amp, you have to split that cost between a sub AND amp. So how can both be higher quality then a rockford sub, plus a really good amp to go with it. Not possible. Also another thing. The sound that comes from the sub/box isn't all about how much air is moved, or about the speaker itself.

Yes putting a speaker alone in a room is going to make a horrible sound quality, but when you put that speaker in a box it get better, when you put that same speaker in an even better box, the sound is astounding.

Go listen to a well tuned system using 2 12in rockford subs, it will blow away just about any HT system.

Also another thing, if you really want to hit all the right notes with a sound system. A measly 12in sub isn't going to do it, it just can't hit all the notes. You need at least two different subs to get the right quality of sound. Normally you would go with 2 12in subs and 2 10in subs. The bigger the sub, the better the low end of the spectrum you get. So your 15's are for the notes you can't hear, they are the ones you feel. 12s are a mix of feeling and sound, 10s are the ones you hear but are still low enough to be bass and not midrange.
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