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The point is you are not captive or compelled to answer my question so why do you bother bashing someone who may have overlooked the sticky(which are often outdated and not the best answer as of today).

The point is you have decided to troll this thread because you have nothing better to do with your day.

Yeah, that's right. I'm trolling. Or would it be a more appropriate to say I'm just sick of people too lazy to put in their own work?
    
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If you as a developer want commercial vendor support a la Nvidia to Linux etc-you need a large enough user-base to be relevant.

The number of competent Linux users willing to run Gentoo or Arch or LFS and get their hands dirty in config files etc--is NOT relevant from a commercial vendor perspective. Like it or not, that is how it is. Most people just want to use their machine without having to study READ-ME.html through Vim or Nano and then edit xorg.conf in order to fix their disply server.

I've gone back to W7 full-time, from being an Arch user full-time, as my hardware is supported. In Linux there's ZERO support for 6000-series Radeon, and even then functions of my mouse don't work...and my nice soundcard has none of the feature I paid for.
Woah, I thought you were a LFS man who could do everything!?

[edit] That's trolling.
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please keep it civil gents

OP, Linux Mint or Ubuntu. you'll have to do a lot of reading though if you expect to run Linux successfully, as it's not windows and you can't get it to run by performing and behaving the way you would in Windows.

read these for more info
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Aside from adding my vote for Mint the best I can offer OP is don't get upset by the passion you see here. It should be an indicator of just how compelling it can become to begin to really own the operation of your own computer. Linux can do that for you if you stick with it and learn it's ways instead of wishing it were windows or trying to make it into free windows

TFB, and others here, have put a lot of blood, sweat and cuss words into developing stickies to help out newcomers and it is just frustrating to see them overlooked. On the flip side, once you start to gain some real expertise in Linux it is really easy to forget just how crippled we are when we first come to Linux from Windows (or Mac) who profit by keeping us weak and dumb and coughing up the cash.

And as for this guy....

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The number of competent Linux users willing to run Gentoo or Arch or LFS and get their hands dirty in config files etc--is NOT relevant from a commercial vendor perspective. Like it or not, that is how it is. Most people just want to use their machine without having to study READ-ME.html through Vim or Nano and then edit xorg.conf in order to fix their disply server.

I've gone back to W7 full-time, from being an Arch user full-time, as my hardware is supported. In Linux there's ZERO support for 6000-series Radeon, and even then functions of my mouse don't work...and my nice soundcard has none of the feature I paid for.
It may be true that most people with computers just want web appliances and to remain clueless, but most in this section want more than that. Most in here want to master their PCs and not be another stupid cash cow for Billy's Boys (let alone that Monkey Boy Ballmer ) That's "like it or not, that is how it is" up in here. So why would you post in here to advertise your failure? (Oooh you read html in a text editor...you musta been Leet! ) You couldn't cut it so you want nobody else to either? Is that it? How is that helpful to anyone but your wounded ego?

The people that stick with a non-mainstream thing that is on a whole other level of power and freedom, learn to choose their hardware carefully. Designers, mechanics and pro dragster drivers don't buy KIa engines and expect them to perform like a Hemi and moan that turbo chargers aren't readily available for them.
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psh who needs ubuntu or its children? throw em into slackware!

/sarcasm

but in all seriousness you can use ubuntu for months and learn NOTHING about how to run linux... other than synaptic... and how to make your desktop pretty... if some one is serious about LEARNING linux, then ubuntu should be a month or less stepping stone imo
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psh who needs ubuntu or its children? throw em into slackware!

/sarcasm

but in all seriousness you can use ubuntu for months and learn NOTHING about how to run linux... other than synaptic... and how to make your desktop pretty... if some one is serious about LEARNING linux, then ubuntu should be a month or less stepping stone imo
HaHaHah! Actually Slackware is more user friendly than by light years than LFS or Gentoo and considerably more than Arch especially if you do the recommended "Everything" install since most of what you need will just already be there and you can't break the system. Once you "get it" that any problems have to be because of the very last thing you did on purpose because you had to, and problem solving becomes simple and direct, serenity replaces newb fear and real confidence and learning commences more easily. Slackware is not only for the learned. It's for those that want to learn.

I do agree that it is best to view convenience distros like the *Buntus as a temporary stepping stone, but I disagree with " a month". Personally I favor parallel installs so you can use one for some insight on the other.
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I do agree that it is best to view convenience distros like the *Buntus as a temporary stepping stone, but I disagree with " a month". Personally I favor parallel installs so you can use one for some insight on the other.
This is not a bad idea at all, I will install the suggestions that everyone has made and see which one(s) is/are most helpful.

Thanks a lot for all the feedback.
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psh who needs ubuntu or its children? throw em into slackware!

/sarcasm

but in all seriousness you can use ubuntu for months and learn NOTHING about how to run linux... other than synaptic... and how to make your desktop pretty... if some one is serious about LEARNING linux, then ubuntu should be a month or less stepping stone imo
Hmm...I didn't learn much with Slackware because I didn't spend enough time with it. Need to spend time and frustration with it to learn. The install though was embarrassingly easy (if you don't change too much) for how "visually simple" it is.

I wonder, since I'm somewhat of an in-betweener on these issues whether I'm the only one that sees it possible to satisfy the "learners" and "general users" anymore or whether this is becoming/is a rift internally with Linux.

@enorbet: It's not so much trying to get free windows (which Microsoft does provide and probably will with it's own compliment of ads in the future) that I'm and I think many are after but rather an OS that finds the right balance between giving me full control when I want/need while still fulfilling the "make life easier" mantra I thought computers where supposed to follow. To this end Linux is the winner. I had to fetch zero drivers myself with Kubuntu and getting programs was far easier than windows. Even getting them outside of the repos is just as easy or easier than windows. To me ease and power should be hand in hand. I do envy that you have both in Slackware, Arch, ect. (easy comes with experience there I'm told). I hope when I have the time I will too.

@skripka: I understand the frustration but if you were in Arch and only Arch then I'm not sure you got the right impression (I don't know your experience just going off of what's given). Arch was my toughest and shortest experience (yes I didn't read the guide at first). Another form of power though is choice. If Arch doesn't fit then there are plenty of other options. Windows and Mac do not give that power as it's one size fits all. I know that ATI has been slow with joining in but I think Melcar has a good guide on a work around. Also, if everyone left after getting frustrated then we'd never have the attention of anyone like nvidia, intel, and even AMD/ATI.
     
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This is not a bad idea at all, I will install the suggestions that everyone has made and see which one(s) is/are most helpful.

Thanks a lot for all the feedback.
You're welcome. Cool. You seem to be diving in for real. While you're at it LiveCDs are a GodZen'd http://www.livecdlist.com/
There is nothing really quite like them in the Windows world due to licensing restrictions. BartPE isn't even close.
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