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Are you saying that intel is only building single core processors?

This is an industry trend, not an AMD trend.
Come on, unleash your fastest processor and crush Intel to it's feet, besides, on the bright side, AMD will be getting more profit. I don't understand when AMD releases a chip, it's not exactly on par with Intel, AMD is always just that bit behind.

It would also be better if you can move onto a socket less CPU like Intel, There's a less chance of breaking and bending the pins.

We are not in the stone age now, we are in the space age!
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post #32 of 154
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Are you saying that intel is only building single core processors?

This is an industry trend, not an AMD trend.
im saying bulldozer might be the first to take full advantage of it
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post #33 of 154
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It would also be better if you can move onto a socket less CPU like Intel, There's a less chance of breaking and bending the pins.

We are not in the stone age now, we are in the space age!
I think you mean "pin less".

All that would do is push up the cost of the motherboards. Is bending a pin so critical that everyone should pay more for their boards?

I have inserted hundreds of PGA chips in my life and never bent a pin.
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JF-AMD can you confirm or deny whether the image at the top is legitmate?
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post #35 of 154
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You're confusing yourself.

A four module Bulldozer has always been 8 actual cores.
Well then what make's bulldozer so revolutionary? Wouldn't 1 core 1 FPU (As in each core having their OWN FPU) Be faster than 2 Cores 1 FPU? I always thought The goal for bulldozer for Amd was to counteract Intel's Synthetic threads by making physical threads (2 cores per FPU)
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lol - In other threads he has flat out stated right away that it was fake.

In this thread he didn't, it was almost like he went into defensive mode.

I never made it as a mind reader though

I don't really get much from the graph, I'll wait until we get closer to release before I decide if I need to sell a certain mobo and chip.
    
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Come on, unleash your fastest processor and crush Intel to it's feet, besides, on the bright side, AMD will be getting more profit. I don't understand when AMD releases a chip, it's not exactly on par with Intel, AMD is always just that bit behind.

It would also be better if you can move onto a socket less CPU like Intel, There's a less chance of breaking and bending the pins.

We are not in the stone age now, we are in the space age!
So you want AMD to spend millions of dollars to design and bring a chip to market that will only knock on the doorstep of less than 1% of the market? Our forum/community only contributes to the smallest amount of chip sales. If AMD does this, they will lose money...not only that, but the chips will cost much like Intel's top end ($500-$1000+). Intel has the expendable cash to design the top chips (They still lose money on these: 980X etc)

Not only the money, but it takes years of design for such a chip, and then months of testing and production manufacturing. They also have to fit TDP and power draw requirements of motherboards and the chip package.

Everyone would like to see a top AMD chip. Even the guys at AMD. However right now there is no expendable cash and the business needs to gravitate in a direction that will make them profitable.

Keep in mind AMD is a business.

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I think you mean "pin less".

All that would do is push up the cost of the motherboards. Is bending a pin so critical that everyone should pay more for their boards?

I have inserted hundreds of PGA chips in my life and never bent a pin.
Niether. And even then I'd rather fix a bent cpu pin than a socket pin. (mechanical pencils work wonders)

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JF-AMD can you confirm or deny whether the image at the top is legitmate?
He most likely will not answer that question if it is.
Edited by Slappa - 1/25/11 at 1:04pm
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The real competition is in the $200 or less area, where the SB chips have taken over at the top of that as far as I can tell, and there is no competition at the top because you can't afford to put the 8-12 cores on a none server chip that it would take for AMD to compete in raw multi-core performance with Intels high end chips.
Well we don't know do we, there may be a Bulldozer chip thats ~$200 and equal/faster. And last i checked, the 2500k is over $200 so it can't fall in there. To be honest, as long as the price-performance offered by the Bulldozer chips is good enough compared to SB or better, i'm fine with that. I hate going Intel because they change sockets so often :\\
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Well then what make's bulldozer so revolutionary? Wouldn't 1 core 1 FPU (As in each core having their OWN FPU) Be faster than 2 Cores 1 FPU? I always thought The goal for bulldozer for Amd was to counteract Intel's Synthetic threads by making physical threads (2 cores per FPU)
That's exactly what makes it revolutionary, because 1 integer core + 1 fpu is nothing new, it dates back to the root of the x86 architecture.

It's all about performance / $. AMD figures the performance hit from sharing a FPU is much less significant than the savings.

AMD is making real threads; think of intel as using one integer core and one fpu for every two threads.
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LOL @ Phenom II X6 1100T having around the same gaming performance as an i7 950.

Fail fake slide fails.
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