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1100T = 3 gens ago

AMD has nothing last gen, or last last gen.
Sigh. Intel users are so ignorant.

Just because AMD does not seal the performance crown, doesn't mean they don't compete.

You get a better performance/dollar ratio with AMD. A $229 6 core cpu that can overclock to 4gigs on an overall cheaper platform without the need of triple channel ram and an expensive motherboard? And it turns out that for the users that just play games and play music, movies etc it performs almost identically to intel's offerings? (I purposely excluded video rendering and stuff)
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post #52 of 154
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Sigh. Intel users are so ignorant.

Just because AMD does not seal the performance crown, doesn't mean they don't compete.

You get a better performance/dollar ratio with AMD. A $229 6 core cpu that can overclock to 4gigs on an overall cheaper platform without the need of triple channel ram and an expensive motherboard? And it turns out that for the users that just play games and play music, movies etc it performs almost identically to intel's offerings? (I purposely excluded video rendering and stuff)
I wish I could show him the parallel universe where intel doesnt have to compete and his chip costs $500 dollars, o wait, they would probably make intel pay AMD to stay in business

also someone is optimistic about 22nm, gl with that
    
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What am I ignorant of?

My i5-2500k beats the 1090T in ever aspect, from top to bottom, and did not require any expensive board or ram that you speak of.

Now you'll say thats new gen and while that is true, AMD is still charging a lot for x6 and x4 chips that don't perform well compared to the new standards.

Also if you want to go by last gen the i5-750 was the best price/performance chip on the market when looking at chips around $200.
    
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What am I ignorant of?

My i5-2500k beats the 1090T in ever aspect, from top to bottom, and did not require any expensive board or ram that you speak of.

Now you'll say thats new gen and while that is true, AMD is still charging a lot for x6 and x4 chips that don't perform well compared to the new standards.

Also if you want to go by last gen the i5-750 was the best price/performance chip on the market when looking at chips around $200.
You realize that a company must charge above a certain margin to make the product profitable right?

AMD's thuban's were never expensive. SB was just released, new node, less cost to manufacture, new architecture and they took the same pricing segment as thuban. Technology always gets less expensive to produce as each generation manifests itself.

Its very stupid to compare them based on price, when SB is not even one month old yet.

If AMD could cut the costs of their chips they would. But they are on a 45nm process for those chips, and at the price they are currently at, they don't have much or any more margin to cut the prices.

32nm BD is the answer for that.
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The 1090T was $300.

The prices for the x6 chips vary from $260 to $180 currently.

Next you'll tell me the fab process for BE processors costs more.


The pricing has been the same for as long as I can remember.

High end chips are $1000, with processors falling into price spots from there down to the bottom.

That was true 10 years ago, its still true today.
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The 1090T was $300.

The prices for the x6 chips vary from $260 to $180 currently.

Next you'll tell me the fab process for BE processors costs more.
?

Do you understand that the whole reason for process shrink is to fit more transistors, cost less money to produce, and increase performance?

Youre comparing a chip that isn't even a month old, to a chip that was released in april of last year. Of course SB will perform better.
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@BTF: Do you realise what did you just say?

Thuban is Nehalem's generation, not Sandy Bridge.
   
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Thats not really fair.

The K8 design which the x6 is based on is far, far older than that.


Does it really matter? SB is faster the Nehalem, Nehalem was faster than Thuban... The point was AMD isn't keeping legacy pricing like Intel does, they currently have nothing new to offer, and are no longer the providing solid price vs performance in their "high end segment".
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Thats not really fair.

The K8 design which the x6 is based on is far, far older than that.

Does it really matter? SB is faster the Nehalem, Nehalem was faster than Thuban... The point was AMD isn't keeping legacy pricing like Intel does, they currently have nothing new to offer, and are no longer the providing solid price vs performance in their "high end segment".
The X6 is based on K10

Try running a multi-billion dollar company that is second to a monolithic giant that has been through a massive financial restructuring/asset spin off, 2 CEO's, non-profitability for a few years. Keep in mind they have no expendable cash. I'd say they are doing pretty damn good. My X6 at 4.2GHz 24/7 performs similar to a $1000+ 980X in games.
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Thats not really fair.

The K8 design which the x6 is based on is far, far older than that.
So, according to this statement, AMD is by far superior to intel, because using an architecture about 10 years old, they still destroy and make eat the dust of the Core2 architecture which is barely 5 years old.

Talking about absolute numbers ofc.


BTF, you're showing us that you have no idea about current processor market man.


Edit: And they also own i3s and most of the i5 Nehalem-family processors, so you get the idea.
   
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