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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
The difference is I do 5GHz 24/7 without expensive or single use cooling.

Show me the 6GHz Phenom II x6 folding, or running Prime 95 for 12+ hours.


Also what you're claiming I said isn't what I said. I said it would destroy a x6 @ 4Ghz, not while the 4 core processor was at 4Ghz. That's just silly, you just a silly boy aren't you?

Quoting myself:
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Think of my i5-2500k destroying the 1110T at 4GHz in every thing from multi-threaded to single threaded and back again. For LESS cost.
Sorry for your misunderstanding.
Ok.

...so now you're trying to backtrack and claim that you were'nt talking about clock for clock performance, that you were actually claiming that a latest gen new architecture 5Ghz cpu beats an old 4Ghz cpu? Is that correct?

...and you think i'm a silly boy?



Still waiting for your 4Ghz cinebench run... your avoidance of that speaks volumes.
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post #82 of 154
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JF-AMD can you confirm or deny whether the image at the top is legitmate?
I can't comment. All I know is that this was not some kind of "engineered leak" by AMD.

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lol - In other threads he has flat out stated right away that it was fake.

In this thread he didn't, it was almost like he went into defensive mode.

I never made it as a mind reader though

I don't really get much from the graph, I'll wait until we get closer to release before I decide if I need to sell a certain mobo and chip.
I have never said it was fake. All I have said is that this was not a leak from AMD.

On another track, everyone here keeps saying that games only use 2 or maybe at most four cores. Then why is intel supposedly doing an 8-core SB in the fall? Will all of the intel fans mock intel for this?
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Actually, the chips perform relatively the same for gaming.

You would see your difference in clock per clock encoding apps or something
Ehhh no.

In CPU demanding games like COD: Black Ops, Starcraft II, WoW.... There's a significant difference between K10 processors and Bloomfield/Sandy Bridge processors.

Keep in mind that the K10 architecture is nothing more than a tweaked version of the old K8 architecture from 2003.
Edited by SlackerITGuy - 1/26/11 at 8:44am
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No they don't.

Lol.


What you're seeing is windows sending threads to different cores.


No MMO uses more than 4 cores, FF XIV uses 4 and I'm pretty sure it's the only MMO that uses that many. Most only use 2 and gain a slight benefit from a 3rd (for other applications/system), WoW is one of those.
BC2 loads all 6 of my cores, so yes there are games that use all the cores/threads.
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You absolutely cannot compare Intel to AMD with SuperPi.
SuperPi has the unfair advantage of using Intel's (now-illegal) sabotage x86 compilers to basically deliberately screw SuperPi performance on AMD. There was an article on it lately, I'm sure you read it.
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On the left it lists the Intel socket as 1156...then on the right graph it lists the i7 950... not socket 1156
This.

Besides, as the rumors state, the new processor should be capable of going toe to toe with the Sandy Bridge CPUs. Then again... this is yet to be seen.
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You absolutely cannot compare Intel to AMD with SuperPi.
SuperPi has the unfair advantage of using Intel's (now-illegal) sabotage x86 compilers to basically deliberately screw SuperPi performance on AMD. There was an article on it lately, I'm sure you read it.
I haven't seen said article. Link?
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I have never said it was fake. All I have said is that this was not a leak from AMD.

On another track, everyone here keeps saying that games only use 2 or maybe at most four cores. Then why is intel supposedly doing an 8-core SB in the fall? Will all of the intel fans mock intel for this?
Because we haven't seen the projected 10GHz cores would be my guess.

Intel may be releasing 6/8 core sandy bridge chips later this year, but its not really something I myself am interested in. And more to that point - not only is an x6 or x8 chip not really something I need, but Intel being the folks they are - are providing the 2011 socket with only those chips, so in order to get pci-e 3.0 and some other gaming goodies, you need to purchase their high end platform, with chips you don't really even need.

Games currently do use 2 and at most 4 cores, because most games are now ports of console games that were designed for less cores. I believe xbox 360 games are coded for 3 cores.

There is no question 8 core chips are awesome, and will be amazing in multi-threaded apps, the problem isn't AMD or INTEL releasing 6/8 core cpus, the problem is older software doesn't scale with more cores, and generally newer software still isn't being coded to utilize 4 cores let alone more. There is obviously another side to this - which is things like encoding (which Quick Sync *gpu supported* has shown to be amazing effective - albeit currently limited in every scope) rendering, and other general tasks.

However for the gamer, and general home users 8 cores doesn't really do much for us. Not yet anyways, for instance my 1090T was able to encode video much faster than my connection was able to upload them - what took only a few minutes on a 1090T could take up to an hour to upload to youtube... The point is why does my mom need a 8 core bulldozer chip? My mom complains that her computer is too slow when loading programs programs and doing basic non core intensive tasks, adding more cores doesn't change this. So whats the selling point to Joe Everyday? You don't need to sell me on the business applications or the server side, but I'm confused on why adding more cores will improve the experience for my mother - when what she needs is faster cores - not more of them.
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Because we haven't seen the projected 10GHz cores would be my guess.

Intel may be releasing 6/8 core sandy bridge chips later this year, but its not really something I myself am interested in. And more to that point - not only is an x6 or x8 chip not really something I need, but Intel being the folks they are - are providing the 2011 socket with only those chips, so in order to get pci-e 3.0 and some other gaming goodies, you need to purchase their high end platform, with chips you don't really even need.

Games currently do use 2 and at most 4 cores, because most games are now ports of console games that were designed for less cores. I believe xbox 360 games are coded for 3 cores.

There is no question 8 core chips are awesome, and will be amazing in multi-threaded apps, the problem isn't AMD or INTEL releasing 6/8 core cpus, the problem is older software doesn't scale with more cores, and generally newer software still isn't being coded to utilize 4 cores let alone more. There is obviously another side to this - which is things like encoding (which Quick Sync *gpu supported* has shown to be amazing effective - albeit currently limited in every scope) rendering, and other general tasks.

However for the gamer, and general home users 8 cores doesn't really do much for us. Not yet anyways, for instance my 1090T was able to encode video much faster than my connection was able to upload them - what took only a few minutes on a 1090T could take up to an hour to upload to youtube... The point is why does my mom need a 8 core bulldozer chip? My mom complains that her computer is too slow when loading programs programs and doing basic non core intensive tasks, adding more cores doesn't change this. So whats the selling point to Joe Everyday? You don't need to sell me on the business applications or the server side, but I'm confused on why adding more cores will improve the experience for my mother - when what she needs is faster cores - not more of them.

Um, just no.

The future is more threads thus more cores. We're doing more things at one time today on a single modern computer than entire farms were doing just 10 years ago. Have you looked at a regular home user's computer lately? Not YOUR machine or another gamer's heavily tweaked and OC'ed PC, but an actual everyday computer that just as OS and program installs and is used everyday. If you have, what you'll find is a plethora of programs set to boot with the machine, antivirus, antispyware, backup programs, imaging programs, office and adobe products, OEM bloatware, etc. etc. The list just goes on. It's nothing to find the average Vista or Win 7 PC running 80+ processes and services at boot without a single program launched by the user.

The future of PC's isn't only about how fast you can process one task, but how well your PC can handle 100+ wanting processing power all at the same time.
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My mom complains that her computer is too slow when loading programs programs and doing basic non core intensive tasks, adding more cores doesn't change this. So whats the selling point to Joe Everyday? You don't need to sell me on the business applications or the server side, but I'm confused on why adding more cores will improve the experience for my mother - when what she needs is faster cores - not more of them.
Well AMD aren't targetting people's mothers with their high end CPU's :/
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