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Soooo...lol, were hitting revive on a completely dead thread.

I have a 2600k now, I have it stable at 4GHz, but in a couple weeks I will try to bump that up to 4.2-4.5GHz. I was wondering a few things as I will probably start folding again. I also will be folding with a GTX480.

Should I use SMP or Bigadv? I will be folding approx 16 hours/day when not working...and 22hours/day when working.

With that and your clock in mind, straight SMP is what I suggest. BA you wanna be close to 24/7 and preferable at least 4.5G.

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(This question also depends on how much it costs to fold 24/7. I just calculated what it would be to fold with my current rig (GTX480 coming next week so w/ that) it would be appox 635W. I intend on buying a wattage meter when I go to Microcenter again....but until then...My family's bill is...nevermind...we are at like call it, .075kWh for the first 600kWh, then .15kWh for anything after that. So at 635W, I would spend about $1/day on folding. All of this might be more accurate after I get a REAL idea of how much energy I use when I get a meter, and after a month of folding I will be able to tell how much our bill fluctuates.)

Folding on the CPU alone will use much less electricity, I have a 2700K@1.48V which draws about 250W from the wall, though I have a very low end GPU (HD5450) so you can probably add around 30W to that figure, you're currently at a much lower OC and voltage than me too.

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What temps do you usually get from folding? Is it the exact same as a certain run of Prime? On a 1344 test on Prime I hit temps around 75C@4Ghz@1.3V currently.

I get about 5C (maybe a little more) deg drop between OCCT and folding.

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I remember there are ways of throttling how much folding uses of your CPU...what are the pros and cons from this...other than the obvious ones.

SMP folding utilization is controlled by how many threads you'll allow the program to use. A 2600K with 4 threads available to FAH will result in ~50% usage. The ways to do this is a little different depending on which version you choose. Whatever you do, avoid folding on either 7 or 5 threads as some WU will fail.

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And if I go Bigadv...if I stop the app for a few hours to play games or what have you...what/how much do you lose?

No BA for you. tongue.gif

Just as a hypothetical scenario, if I've got a TPF on a 6904 (the biggest and baddest BA) of 63min, ETA=4.38, and just run it with no interruptions I'd get 87k PPD/379K total. Let's say I stop the folding 4h/day (best case as according to you) that's 17.52h, PPD drops to 68k and total credit is down to 351k. If this wasn't bad enough I'm much closer to the deadline too, which gives me very little leeway for unforeseen business. Being close to deadlines isn't in it self a bad thing, but will give you a possibility of not completing the unit in time which is bad both you (points wise) and Stanford (research wise). And you're not gonna be fast enough (at 4G) even running 24/7 I'd reckon.

My feeling is that BA shouldn't be done on anything less than a 24/7 rig, but that's just me.

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Finally someone that likes being organized with forum posts like I do. Repped.
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With that and your clock in mind, straight SMP is what I suggest. BA you wanna be close to 24/7 and preferable at least 4.5G.

Downloading now. Good point. I forgot that most of the people running BA are in the 4.5-5GHz bracket under water.
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Folding on the CPU alone will use much less electricity, I have a 2700K@1.48V which draws about 250W from the wall, though I have a very low end GPU (HD5450) so you can probably add around 30W to that figure, you're currently at a much lower OC and voltage than me too.

Good point. I will probably end up buying that meter and knowing that it is a lot different, that number I pumped out is what PSUCalc was telling me.
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I get about 5C (maybe a little more) deg drop between OCCT and folding.

Interesting. I will let you know what my temps end up being.
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SMP folding utilization is controlled by how many threads you'll allow the program to use. A 2600K with 4 threads available to FAH will result in ~50% usage. The ways to do this is a little different depending on which version you choose. Whatever you do, avoid folding on either 7 or 5 threads as some WU will fail.

Noted. I will likely not stop the SMP Client until I finish an entire WU...makes a lot more sense.
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No BA for you. tongue.gif
Just as a hypothetical scenario, if I've got a TPF on a 6904 (the biggest and baddest BA) of 63min, ETA=4.38, and just run it with no interruptions I'd get 87k PPD/379K total. Let's say I stop the folding 4h/day (best case as according to you) that's 17.52h, PPD drops to 68k and total credit is down to 351k. If this wasn't bad enough I'm much closer to the deadline too, which gives me very little leeway for unforeseen business. Being close to deadlines isn't in it self a bad thing, but will give you a possibility of not completing the unit in time which is bad both you (points wise) and Stanford (research wise). And you're not gonna be fast enough (at 4G) even running 24/7 I'd reckon.
My feeling is that BA shouldn't be done on anything less than a 24/7 rig, but that's just me.
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Thanks for this. It makes a lot more sense. At 5GHz you could probably take the time off, but otherwise it is pretty detrimental.

I'll post some stats once I get back to it. Wonder what my scores will be like in comparison to a Stock i5 750 and GT230 (last folding rig). rofl
    
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I'll post some stats once I get back to it. Wonder what my scores will be like in comparison to a Stock i5 750 and GT230 (last folding rig). rofl

Should be a little bump upwards. wink.gif
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Okay...next dilemma...GPU Folding.

I am currently using a GT430 (from an old upgrade). I have a GTX480 coming in. I plan on OCing the 480 (and folding on it if temps are okay), and I plan on using the GT430 as a Physx card after. If it doesn't do any use to use it as a Physx card, the GT 430 will be a 24/7 Folding card. What client should I use for the GTX 480...and what one for the GT430? No SLI.
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I see no reason not to use client v7 (guide linked in my sig under "FOLDING"), it can fold on the CPU and both GPUs in one simple client.

A 430 will probably actually hold back a 480 in the majority of PhysX titles but you can test yourself and see if it helps you or not. You can't SLI a 480 and a 430, and wouldn't want to even if you could,.
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I see no reason not to use client v7 (guide linked in my sig under "FOLDING"), it can fold on the CPU and both GPUs in one simple client.
A 430 will probably actually hold back a 480 in the majority of PhysX titles but you can test yourself and see if it helps you or not. You can't SLI a 480 and a 430, and wouldn't want to even if you could,.

Never seen this. Thought I would just need to go with a CPU client and a GPU client..never knew they made one for both. Are there big advantages from using the v7 versus legacy? It would make sense if the WUs are being run on both platforms so they speed up TPFs but idk if that is the case.

Should I just wait until my 480 comes in, to install and configure all this stuff?
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Okay...next dilemma...GPU Folding.
...and what one for the GT430? No SLI.

Fixed.
    
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No the CPU folding still just does the CPUs work unit and the GPU still just does the GPU WU. As for how it compares to running 3 individual clients it's pretty much the same, just a little easier to install and it will show you info like PPD from all the clients in one place.

If you want you can just go ahead and install the client v7 and start folding again now, you won't have to start over when you get the 480, you'd just have to add another 'slot' in the v7 client for the new card once you get it.
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No the CPU folding still just does the CPUs work unit and the GPU still just does the GPU WU. As for how it compares to running 3 individual clients it's pretty much the same, just a little easier to install and it will show you info like PPD from all the clients in one place.
If you want you can just go ahead and install the client v7 and start folding again now, you won't have to start over when you get the 480, you'd just have to add another 'slot' in the v7 client for the new card once you get it.

I think I will stick to the v6/Old Skool method.

If I stick to that route...what would I need to do. Just two GPU clients?
    
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I think I will stick to the v6/Old Skool method.
If I stick to that route...what would I need to do. Just two GPU clients?

yep, just one client per piece of hardware, so one for CPU and one for each GPU.
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So, my GPU client has been falling asleep on me a lot lately. Rarely it doesn't, but most of the time, after a WU is finished it can't send the data for like 8 times or something like that, and then goes to sleep, I restart it, and it sends it (sometimes it doesn't though) then starts a new WU...really strange stuff. Using a GTX480, with GPU3 Client...I think.
    
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