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Originally Posted by MicroMiniMe View Post
That's exactly right. It's called "Marketing" to get the consumers money dude. If SDRAM were being currently produced at 32 nm and modern mobo's supported it there would be almost nil difference in bandwidth. Go back to school.
Well since SDram was so great please. Get 16 GB of it on a stick for us

Also can we have links to those benchmarks please?

I know what marketing is and how the stuff works.

its like buying a processor based on its Ghz.

How ever that doesn't mean that RAM speed wont help a computers performance.

Go back to school?...
Edited by StuffStuff1 - 1/28/11 at 2:13am
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So long as you've learnt that ram will only be as fast as the memory controller running it, hence why you can't compare ram run on two different cpu's. You can compare the same ram on different cpu's to find the best memory controller, or you can compare different ram (speeds) on the same cpu to find the best ram / speed. But you can't swap these tests.
I know my value ram speeds are way, way faster on my INTEL chip than even Super Talent cas 7 ram at the same speed on AMD chips.

Like twice as fast, even with a 3300NB, which none of you have.

But I also learned that doesn't matter, my DDR2 if used by this chip would exceed DDR3 performance on AMD chips anyways.
    
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See what buggs me is that RAM is very complicated Obviously. and i want to know do alot of the benchmarks include information on CPU-NB speed?

Benchmarks have shown that this is sometimes the bottleneck.

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Get your CPU-NB as high as you possibly can. It can provide a bigger boost in performance than core overclocking.
    
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I know my value ram speeds are way, way faster on my INTEL chip than even Super Talent cas 7 ram at the same speed on AMD chips.

Like twice as fast, even with a 3300NB, which none of you have.

But I also learned that doesn't matter, my DDR2 if used by this chip would exceed DDR3 performance on AMD chips anyways.
So we're agreed then, that you can't compare ram on different cpu's which have different memory controllers. We're all aware that SB has an improved IMC. Knowing that doesn't help someone who just wants to know if DD3 is really any better than DDR2. For instance, I could swap my mobo and ram for an AM3 board and DDR3 ram, but would it be worth it (it wouldn't cost anything as such, once I sold my current bits, bought second hand). From all the benches i've seen it does improve performance, but not the extent of warranting changing over, I may as well wait for a completely new setup, which was the conclusion I came to quite a while ago.
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So we're agreed then, that you can't compare ram on different cpu's which have different memory controllers. We're all aware that SB has an improved IMC. Knowing that doesn't help someone who just wants to know if DD3 is really any better than DDR2. For instance, I could swap my mobo and ram for an AM3 board and DDR3 ram, but would it be worth it (it wouldn't cost anything as such, once I sold my current bits, bought second hand). From all the benches i've seen it does improve performance, but not the extent of warranting changing over, I may as well wait for a completely new setup, which was the conclusion I came to quite a while ago.
Well it will be worth it in teh sence that now DDR3 Cost less.

it cost less to operate

creates less heat

and its more reliable

and as a future proof you can put more on it then DDR2

and it just so happens the fastest DDR3 in benchmarks is faster then the fastest DDR2

When you start to get to the high end range im not sure if its worth the money.

How ever upgradeing the ram from lets say 800 6-6-6 to 1600 6-6-6 you will see a clear improvement
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My deneb 955 (4.1ghz core 2.8ghz nb) with ddr2 1066 5-5-5-15 was way faster than with ddr3 1333 7-7-7-21. Maybe it just liked the timings better?
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My deneb 955 (4.1ghz core 2.8ghz nb) with ddr2 1066 5-5-5-15 was way faster than with ddr3 1333 7-7-7-21. Maybe it just liked the timings better?
No you just dont understand how this works really do you

CAS / Refresh rate X 1000= Amount of time it takes for your ram to respond.

So your ddr2 did

5 / 1066 * 1000= 4.69 NS

your DDR3 did

7 / 1333 * 1000= 5.25 NS

that means your DDR2 was just faster then your DDR3 sticks of ram..

you should have bought better DDR3
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It will, but IMC will natively support up to 1866 without overclock, what is indeed good news.
   
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No you just dont understand how this works really do you

CAS / Refresh rate X 1000= Amount of time it takes for your ram to respond.

So your ddr2 did

5 / 1066 * 1000= 4.69 NS

your DDR3 did

7 / 1333 * 1000= 5.25 NS

that means your DDR2 was just faster then your DDR3 sticks of ram..

you should have bought better DDR3


2 years ago when I bought this it was half the price of ddr3 1600. If I was buying RAM today, I could spend even less and get 1600 cas7. I seem to remember I didn't pay much for my gskill ddr2's three years ago either.

Must <3 RAM price sine wave ~
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