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Originally Posted by 2thAche;12136066 
No you don't lol. If a single core Athlon XP is like a horse, imagine this system as 6 hamsters biggrin.gif
Your only chance of running this thing is going to be NT or Win 2000 I bet.
My first OC was a P Pro that I could get to 300MHz. It died after about a year of that. In any case, I bet you this thing will have a hard time running a modern web page, if it can even handle that.
CPUs have come alot farther than you think. There was a huge jump from the Pentiums to the PII and PIII chips. A PIII now is barely useful now, maybe as a firewall box. I just gave away a dual-PIII 1000MHz server. What was once amazingly powerful becomes a doorstop frown.gif

This is an enigmatic post to me. Surely if you know enough and have been around long enough to get a Pentium Pro to 300 (at a time when only DEC Alphas kicked their butts , first with 250, then 350 and finally with 500) and to have and run a dual PIII server board you should also know that:

1) Sufficient cooling could have kept your Pro alive a lot longer than 1 year
2) Linux or especially OS/2 would scale better than Win2K or XP
3) Pentium Pro =! Pentium
4) Servers don't chew much CPU unless user base is big. They just need RAM and Storage.
5) A dual PIII @1000 w/ 2-3 GB DDR ram and a solid AGP video card will tun a modern webpage just fine
and finally
7) Using a PIII as a firewall is a sacrilege when a DX4 can do it.

I'm just sayin' the way you talk, a 6 Pentium Pro commercial server from 1996 was only fit for teletype and maybe Gopher. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
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1) Sufficient cooling could have kept your Pro alive a lot longer than 1 year

LOL of course. Aftermarket cooling back then consisted of buying more case fans or hacking something together. I had some kind of green anodized square heatsink with a fan that was probably 3-4CM that I screwed onto it.

I still stand by hamsters vs horse. Lets see the benches.
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5) A dual PIII @1000 w/ 2-3 GB DDR ram and a solid AGP video card will tun a modern webpage just fine

I don't think this is the kind of beast you'd want to web-browse on:
server2.jpg

server.jpg

No AGP slot, but plenty of 64bit 66MHz PCI.

The problem will be finding an AGP 1.0 card with useable drivers. I still have a GeForce card, CUSL2 mobo and PIII 1000. You really think it could handle youtube?
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Those Pentium Pro's would be running a 66MHz FSB.. If the motherboard has 75 or 83.3MHz FSB via jumpers, that is the way to go.
    
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Originally Posted by terraprime;12135138 
It was first used when multipliers came in, Im not sure what cpu but I know the turbo button made the 66mhz pcs at my school do 133mhz, so it pretty much is a on the fly multi button from x1 to x2. I think they did the same for the ones that were "stock" 133mhz and made it up the multi by 1.

The Turbo button, is actually backwards usage, as stated by Zzyzz earlier.

The button per se, reduced your speed not increase it. So with it on, you actually ran at it's normal speed and with it off, ran at 1/2 the speed.
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First, wow I never thought this would get this many posts.
Second I had Windows NT server 4.0.something on it which only supported 4 cpus. Then the 8gig IDE harddrive died. I'm going to put a scsi or bigger IDE drive in and maybe(oh god) a wifi card. It only has 256 mb of ram so if someone can suggest a version of linux,preferably with gui, that can run on multiple pp cpus with only 256 mb ram.

If anyone wants to be updated on my progress on this project just e-mail me at :
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A nice 8400GS PCI and u get a nice browser with Flash 10.1 on the video card:P as long u get more then 1GB of ram

Why not a SATA PCI Controler with a nice SSD?tongue.gif
post #47 of 54
Pentium Pro == PentiumII, roughly, and possibly a little faster, clock for clock, than a PentiumII. The on board cache is full clock speed, and not slower as it is on PentiumII.

Remember, all Intel chips of the era were fully unlocked. They didn't start locking things until the Celeron chips started turning up in multi-processor rigs. However, you may have trouble getting it to run a different FSB as the board probably doesn't support it. With luck, the multiplier may be set by jumpers or dip switches, you may well be able to just tell it that they're 233Mhz chips instead of 200s. This is old school clocking biggrin.gif

That's a beautiful machine, from the era of servers built like tanks. The only downside to it is that it will suck a LOT of power from the wall, and not perform any better than a bargain basement dual core will these days. I have a dual P3 and a dual P4 server, both gathering dust in my back room because of the cost to run them. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by flyin15sec;12139006 
The Turbo button, is actually backwards usage, as stated by Zzyzz earlier.

The button per se, reduced your speed not increase it. So with it on, you actually ran at it's normal speed and with it off, ran at 1/2 the speed.

yes I know but that is how they introduced the multi was with the turbo button. And since i remember dos games being REALLY picky about how fast the cpu was it was totally needed. I tried running a game on a 133mhz cpu once and it max supported was 40mhz, needless to say it ran it so fast i would die like in 2 secs cause everything was moving so fast.
 
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post #49 of 54
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Originally Posted by 2thAche;12138779 
LOL of course. Aftermarket cooling back then consisted of buying more case fans or hacking something together. I had some kind of green anodized square heatsink with a fan that was probably 3-4CM that I screwed onto it.

I used modded power transistor heatsinks and stole a few from dead NexGen CPUs that were huge for their time (AMD bought em out and used some of the tech to start Super 7) So Heatsinks were hard but not impossible and electronics fans were very readily available. I bought a lot back then thru Newark Electronics.
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Originally Posted by 2thAche;12138779 
I still stand by hamsters vs horse. Lets see the benches.

True but operating systems were tighter eg: OS/2 was written entirely in Assembly and amazingly fast on a lousy P133 with 128 MB ram, especially with SCSI drives.


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Originally Posted by 2thAche;12138779 
No AGP slot, but plenty of 64bit 66MHz PCI.

Aww too bad that is a bit of a deal breaker I suppose, Never worked much with those slots.
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The problem will be finding an AGP 1.0 card with useable drivers. I still have a GeForce card, CUSL2 mobo and PIII 1000. You really think it could handle youtube?

2 period examples -
Desktop -
I have a TUSL2 with a 1.4GHz PIII OC'd to 1.7GHz with 512MB ram sporting a modded bios that locks AGP x 4 even at non-spec FSBs running an FX-6600GT (roughly at x6 due to OC) that still surfs the Web fine and will run Doom3 at 45fps, more than just playable. BTW it's predecessor, an Asus P3-BF with a Tualatin ready Slotket ran the same CPU at the same speed and with an IDE accelerator card would do almost as well but was retired since 256MB ram was max supported.

Server
I have a SuperMicro Socket 370 that utilizes up to 6 GB DDR ram running an FX-5500 Ultra w/ 128MB VRAM that surfs just fine even though I rarely use it for that. It's a media and game server, mostly.

All three handle(d) YouTube without stutter on most stuff, granted at lower settings... not exactly HD ready biggrin.gif

The OPs rig will have limited use for sure, but surely can do more than be a hardware firewall.
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I can tell you one thing for certain about the PIII line and 815E chipsets: They absolutely refuse to die.

I like the SuperMicros, I've got two:

Home server with a 5300 and a 4x1.5TB RAID 5 Box:

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Office server with two Xeon 1.6 dual cores.

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That was was tried as a gaming box when it had dual quad cores but it was dissapointing.
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