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Woah... Nice! Our 3,4 northwoods should be more than up to the challenge then. The graphics cards, however, are a completely different matter
Just for the Lulz, I installed the Crysis 2 Demo on my P4.

The game installed fine.

When I tried to load it, a message appeared saying I didn't have a supported Graphics Card, but I could continue at my own risk if I wanted. I did.

It loaded just fine.

The menus are as fast as on a modern PC, and so is the initial presentation video footage of the gameplay.

Then I set the resolution to 800x600 and Gamer settings.

Then I joined a server.. two, three, four.. I don't know how many I joined because they are having problems, but eventually I got into the game.

The experience:

LOLOLOLOL Super slow. The game sometimes just moves at around 5 fps, and then it stops because the HDD just has to fetch lots of data, along with the stream of information coming from the network... not playable at ALL.

Then again, i wasn't expecting it to. A 7600GS with 256MB DDR2 is a 7600GS with 256MB DDR2; and 1.5GB of RAM is 1.5GB of RAM

But I think I will be able to get it playable:

- I still haven't put the new HDD in, that could improve performance

- a 400 Mhz speed increase in the upcoming P4 3.4 Ghz should also help

- 1 GB of RAM for a full 2 GB of RAM will definetly give it a very noticeable boost;

- I just decided I have to buy a sound card; the built in Reaktek codec is using CPU resources; I'm now looking at ebay for a Sound Blaster Audigy, that has hardware acceleration; that should give it a little boost, not to mention better sound quality;

- the X1950 Pro can't arrive soon enough too. The 7600GS is not going anywhere. I'm now thiking if I shouldn't have kept looking of a 512MB graphics card. But oh well, the deal on that X1950 Pro was too good to let it pass by.

After all these upgrades, I'm sure it will be playable at least at 800x600. A secondary goal is 1024x768. 1280x720 would put it on par with the Xbox 360, which would be a dream, but that is most likely impossible.
 
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Well, if you get decent overclocks on both the CPU and the GPU, it should be quite playable. Oh, and if you get a chance, at least temporarily pop in an SSD, that should provide some amusement ^^

Edit: I left my ram downclocked and opted for the higher CPU OC instead. Passmark benches show that this is the right choice. Looks like it was RAM that was capping my OC after all. This CPU OCs brilliantly, considering it's running on stock voltage. However, even though the ram went down from 462 to 400mhz, the benches show increased ram performance as well, possibly due to lower timings. Oh well, this is only until the 3,4ghz NW arrives, but still, it's heaps of fun to try and go above and beyond
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Well, if you get decent overclocks on both the CPU and the GPU, it should be quite playable. Oh, and if you get a chance, at least temporarily pop in an SSD, that should provide some amusement ^^

Edit: I left my ram downclocked and opted for the higher CPU OC instead. Passmark benches show that this is the right choice. Looks like it was RAM that was capping my OC after all. This CPU OCs brilliantly, considering it's running on stock voltage. However, even though the ram went down from 462 to 400mhz, the benches show increased ram performance as well, possibly due to lower timings. Oh well, this is only until the 3,4ghz NW arrives, but still, it's heaps of fun to try and go above and beyond

Hehehe, an SSD In a couple of years, when they are affordable, I will! That should still breathe life into this system!

I will try the demo again today without motion blur (command line parameters) and other stuff, see how it goes.


You've got a nice CPU! I didn't know they could overclock so well. You got a good chip, treat it well
 
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Here is a little collection of interesting reference reviews comparing both Northwoods, Prescott's and AMD's offerings:


Sharkyextreme:


"Conclusion

The Pentium 4-3.4E release is very similar to the debut of the 3.2 GHz Prescott, and the performance comparisons against the Northwood core remain pretty constant. The core specifications and doubled L1 and L2 cache levels are certainly impressive, but at the end of the day, the real-world performance is equivalent to a same-speed Northwood. Once Intel moves up to 3.6 GHz and higher speeds, using the LGA775 socket and a faster platform base, then the Prescott core will likely start coming into its own. Until then, the Pentium 4-3.4E is another solid, if unspectacular, processor release, and likely the last upgrade stop on the Socket 478 train.


Pros:
Excellent Multimedia and Memory Performance
Socket 478 Upgradeable
16K L1 and 1-MB L2 Cache Levels

Cons:
Equivalent Gaming Performance to 3.4 GHz Northwood
Runs a Bit Hotter than Northwood"




Techreport:



"However, if I had to choose between Northwood and Prescott at 3.4GHz for my own system, I'd be inclined to choose Northwood. The Northwood core runs cooler, and that's no small thing. Performance results between the two cores are mixed, but Northwood seems to perform better in cases where Prescott is rather weak compared to the whole field (tests like Comanche 4, Cinebench rendering, and ScienceMark). Prescott may be a promising design for the future, when clock speeds ramp up and the heat problem is under control, but it's not terribly attractive at present."



And here is an interesting comparison made by a user in 2008, between a 3 Ghz Prescott and a Northwood.


Oh yes, and to those that don't remember, the Pentium 4 Northwood was the king in it's day, right until the release of the P4 3.2 Extreme Edition. Only after that came the Athlons 64 that were faster.

Oh, and just to make things straight, AMD hasn't always had great prices on their CPU's. The P4 3.0 Ghz was both faster and cheaper than the Athlon XP 3200+. Here.


Cheers!
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You've got a nice CPU! I didn't know they could overclock so well. You got a good chip, treat it well
Some people get them up to ~3,5GHz but those need voltage adjustments in order to come even remotely close to being stable, so yeah, mine's a pretty good one. Might try going higher with a better mobo. For the time being, though, I'll be enjoying my 3,4 NW <3 The dispatch was a bit delayed, but looks like it was finally shipped yesterday. ~2-4 weeks, huh. This is going to be a painful wait >.>
Oh, right, gotta add another item to my planned upgrade list:

- 2x1GB (4x1GB?) ultra-low latency PQI/Corsair ram OR same amount of DDR500 overclocking ram

This is going to be craptastically expensive, but hey - ultimate s478 builds are worth it



Dream s478 rig:

- An 865/875 chipset mobo with plenty of OC features
- A 3,4GHz Gallatin @ above 4,5 GHz (5GHz would be perfect, though neither of these figures are realistic ^^)
- 4GB DDR500 or low-latency ram in dual-channel mode
- A Radeon HD3850 AGP
- A decent SSD (I'm tempted to say "SSD x2 in a RAID array", but that'd be utterly pointless )
- A blu-ray drive
- A decent Creative sound card
- An efficient & reliable PSU to power this warhorse
- Sufficient cooling
- Comfy peripherals
- A ~20" Full HD LCD monitor
- Some crazy custom-modded case
- A 3 1/4 Floppy drive, for the heck of it!

Hey, a man can dream, can't he?
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Some people get them up to ~3,5GHz but those need voltage adjustments in order to come even remotely close to being stable, so yeah, mine's a pretty good one. Might try going higher with a better mobo. For the time being, though, I'll be enjoying my 3,4 NW <3 The dispatch was a bit delayed, but looks like it was finally shipped yesterday. ~2-4 weeks, huh. This is going to be a painful wait >.>
Oh, right, gotta add another item to my planned upgrade list:

- 2x1GB (4x1GB?) ultra-low latency PQI/Corsair ram OR same amount of DDR500 overclocking ram

This is going to be craptastically expensive, but hey - ultimate s478 builds are worth it



Dream s478 rig:

- An 865/875 chipset mobo with plenty of OC features
- A 3,4GHz Gallatin @ above 4,5 GHz (5GHz would be perfect, though neither of these figures are realistic ^^)
- 4GB DDR500 or low-latency ram in dual-channel mode
- A Radeon HD3850 AGP
- A decent SSD (I'm tempted to say "SSD x2 in a RAID array", but that'd be utterly pointless )
- A blu-ray drive
- A decent Creative sound card
- An efficient & reliable PSU to power this warhorse


Hey, a man can dream, can't he?


You can dream, and can make others dream too!

I loved your list! However, since we are talking about absurd stuff (people who come to this thread must think we're crazy LOL), I might add the following:

- the motherboard choice is great; I would choose the 875 because it has a faster RAM management, which might give a few FPS's;

- as to the CPU, of course, it's the best! But keep it under 1.7v, as there are know cases (at least of early steppings) that the Northwoods would start failing after a while with higher voltages.

- the DDR500 in dual channel would be fantastic! Considering that DDR2 533 is barely any faster than DDR400, DDR500 would probably be equivalent to DDR2 667

- in the GPU department, while we're at it, I would probably go for the HD4670, for the simple fact it can accelerate HD flash video. In gaming it's probably equal to th HD3850;

- as to the sound card, I've been investigating it, and the best ones are the Creative Audigy 2, 2 ZS, 2 Value, 4 Pro, 4 or 4 SE; these all have hardware acceleration, and so the sound is offloaded from th CPU; See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audigy;

- the PSU should be a quality 450w (80plus or better) or more.

- make that a 22" or 24" full HD - the prices are low now. IN fact, I don't think you can find 202 monitors anymore. Only cheap 19" 1440x900 ones.





P.S. I have a floppy drive in my main rig, believe it or not!
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You can dream, and can make others dream too!

I loved your list! However, since we are talking about absurd stuff (people who come to this thread must think we're crazy LOL), I might add the following:

- the motherboard choice is great; I would choose the 875 because it has a faster RAM management, which might give a few FPS's;

- as to the CPU, of course, it's the best! But keep it under 1.7v, as there are know cases (at least of early steppings) that the Northwoods would start failing after a while with higher voltages.

- the DDR500 in dual channel would be fantastic! Considering that DDR2 533 is barely any faster than DDR400, DDR500 would probably be equivalent to DDR2 667

- in the GPU department, while we're at it, I would probably go for the HD4670, for the simple fact it can accelerate HD flash video. In gaming it's probably equal to th HD3850;

- as to the sound card, I've been investigating it, and the best ones are the Creative Audigy 2, 2 ZS, 2 Value, 4 Pro, 4 or 4 SE; these all have hardware acceleration, and so the sound is offloaded from th CPU; See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audigy;

- the PSU should be a quality 450w (80plus or better) or more.

- make that a 22" or 24" full HD - the prices are low now. IN fact, I don't think you can find 202 monitors anymore. Only cheap 19" 1440x900 ones.





P.S. I have a floppy drive in my main rig, believe it or not!

Haha, craziness seems to be the norm in this community ^^

Regarding the GPU choice, I've googled for some opinions and it's generally agreed upon that the 3850 is better (the AGP version), especially in gaming. I guess the 256-bit bus really is useful. Also, considering the peak theoretical performance of our rigs, I doubt there would be any instances where we would benefit that much from the extra VRAM. IMO the wider bus is even more important in our builds. Still both cards are awesome. Kudos to ATi for not abandoning the AGP market


P.S. I need to get a floppy drive. I managed to screw mine up during the celeron-induced fits of rage Though it's an ancient thing, boot floppies make a pretty good secondary tool for cleaning up OS screw ups, etc. It's been ages since I last used one, but with a bit of research, I could probably make something of it
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i recived a free oem geforce7600gs 512mb agp
but the guy told me its dead!!!!
i ask for the psu and if he connect the 4 pin molex to the card and said that never connected that the psu 350w oem

so tried my luck
but in the end give some bips for gfx ram error
so i remover the chip cooler and hsi heat-spreader for my surprise after clean the thermal paste one of the edges in the hsi was smash

but what if i bake the card? its memory problem!
     
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Baking the card, huh... I've heard of it, but you'd probably need to research a bit more into this before attempting anything. Try posting in a relevant how-to thread or ask for help in a GPU-related forum, cause this topic doesn't draw that much attention.
     
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Haha, craziness seems to be the norm in this community ^^

Regarding the GPU choice, I've googled for some opinions and it's generally agreed upon that the 3850 is better, especially in gaming. I guess the 256-bit bus really is useful. Also, considering the peak theoretical performance of our rigs, I doubt there would be any instances where we would benefit that much from the extra VRAM. IMO the faster bus is even more important in our builds. Still both cards are awesome. Kudos to ATi for not abandoning the AGP market


P.S. I need to get a floppy drive. I managed to screw mine up during the celeron-induced fits of rage Though it's an ancient thing, boot floppies make a pretty good secondary tool for cleaning up OS screw ups, etc. It's been ages since I last used one, but with a bit of research, I could probably make something of it

The HD3850 could probably be much better once overclocked, it has the potential. Since they are both 55nm parts, both probably overclock well, too, so it's a hard choice. Probably what gets the best driver support will be the winner (with all those AGP hotfixes, I really don't know if one is better supported than the other, but it would logically seem the HD3850 would be better supported).

But, definitely, we would be very happy to get our hands on one of these:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/comput...-with-hammer/4

Oh yes!

Computer stores normally still sell floppy drives; they are cheap, too; around € 6 brand new.
 
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