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Are you sure you heatsink looks exactly like that ?

If it is, then it's crap; that heatsink was not designed to handle a P4 3.4 Ghz.

If you look at the fins, the design does not even have a copper core.

In fact, Intel has two different heatsinks with a copper core, the last has circular fins that look like the socket 775 heatsinks, but apparently you have neither one of those.

I have seen both, and even had the first design with copper core, and if yours looks like the picture you posted, you should replace it as soon as possible. That is probably preventing you from overclocking more too.
Indeed, it's exactly like that, pixel for pixel (only the wire connector is of a different colour )
Sadly, I can't afford aftermarket cooling atm (a scythe katana 3 would cost nearly the same amount I spent on the CPU itself), so I will have to make do with what's on hand
     
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Indeed, it's exactly like that, pixel for pixel (only the wire connector is of a different colour )
Sadly, I can't afford aftermarket cooling atm (a scythe katana 3 would cost nearly the same amount I spent on the CPU itself), so I will have to make do with what's on hand
Now you got me thinking. I got XP-120. The only available 120mmx25 fan I have only outputs 49CFM. I have a Delta and the one that comes with Alienware They push a lot of air(But noisy)and they are 38mm. The clip won't hold it. Plus this one does not have copper on the bottom i believe. I gotta start when I get home today and report later.


Edit, I just noticed that the clip holds the bottom. So it will take the 38mm. It will be noisy but hey, We need some results right?
BTW, What benchmark tools you guys use? Ima stress it first thou, with Prime95.
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I'm gonna post some 3DMark results for my folding rig.

Pentium D 830 @ 3.15
2GB RAM @ 210 3-3-3-9-12
2x GTX 470, No SLI, only mentioning the second as it'll take up some CPU time.
470's at 750 core, 1750 mem
3DMark01: 18238
3DMark05: 8600
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Ok guys, as promised, here are the benchmarks:

Here's CPU-Z and GPU-Z side by side:




CPU idle temperatures (screenshot taken with the 7600GS still in place):





1. Synthetic Benchmarks:


P4 3 Ghz; 1.5 GB RAM; 120 GB HDD; Geforce 7600GS; on board sound:


PC Mark 05: 3483 PCMarks

3D Mark06: 2398 3DMarks

PassMark Performance Test v7: 466 (I didn't take a screenshot of this first one)


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New CPU added:

P4 3.4 Ghz; 1.5 GB RAM; 120 GB HDD; Geforce 7600GS;on board sound:


PC Mark 05: 3794 PCMarks

3D Mark06: 2465 3DMarks

PassMark Performance Test v7: 506.7



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New HDD added:

P4 3.4 Ghz; 1.5 GB RAM; 320 GB HDD; Geforce 7600GS;on board sound:


PC Mark 05: 3994 PCMarks

Didn't run 3DMark, I figured the difference wouldn't be noticeable.

PassMark Performance Test v7: 529.6



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Removed the 512MB stick and added a 1GB stick, for a total of 2GB of RAM:

P4 3.4 Ghz; 2 GB RAM; 320 GB HDD; Geforce 7600GS; on board sound:


PC Mark 05: 4008 PCMarks

3D Mark06: 2466 3DMarks

PassMark Performance Test v7: 544.5



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Added the new graphics card:

P4 3.4 Ghz; 2 GB RAM; 320 GB HDD; Radeon x1950Pro; on board sound:


PC Mark 05: 4220 PCMarks

3D Mark06: 4094 3DMarks

PassMark Performance Test v7: 579.3




I still have all the game benchmarks screenshots to post here; I'll do it tomorrow in a separate post.
 
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Looking good!
I, on the other hand, am having a hell of a time and I mean "hell" in a bad way. Got myself a copy of windows 7. Backed up the important stuff (still managed to forget the STALKER: CoP savegames ), wiped out the OS partition. With a lot of workarounds and playing around with different hard drives (this crappy mobo really prefers to ignore sata and opts for ide instead, even though it might be nonexistant at the time) I managed to set it up. Everything looks really great, BUT.
I overlooked one thing - AMD legacy gpu drivers don't support w7. There are some old 9.3 drivers that have beta-ish w7 support, but, so far, I haven't managed to make those work properly either. Gonna try out some other ideas tomorrow. If they don't work ... Well, that just means I have to hurry up and get a HD3850
Still, the WDDM drivers are pretty neat. Though I sure as hell can't game smoothly, the synthetic 3d benches, surprisingly, still show pretty much identical scores. 2d is a completely different matter, though Well, since it doesn't hamper video playback, all is fine with the world.
     
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Looking good!
I, on the other hand, am having a hell of a time and I mean "hell" in a bad way. Got myself a copy of windows 7. Backed up the important stuff (still managed to forget the STALKER: CoP savegames ), wiped out the OS partition. With a lot of workarounds and playing around with different hard drives (this crappy mobo really prefers to ignore sata and opts for ide instead, even though it might be nonexistant at the time) I managed to set it up. Everything looks really great, BUT.
I overlooked one thing - AMD legacy gpu drivers don't support w7. There are some old 9.3 drivers that have beta-ish w7 support, but, so far, I haven't managed to make those work properly either. Gonna try out some other ideas tomorrow. If they don't work ... Well, that just means I have to hurry up and get a HD3850
Still, the WDDM drivers are pretty neat. Though I sure as hell can't game smoothly, the synthetic 3d benches, surprisingly, still show pretty much identical scores. 2d is a completely different matter, though Well, since it doesn't hamper video playback, all is fine with the world.

Hmmm, I was actually thinking about Windows 7 yesterday, and there is one thing that will make the system perform worse in games in a given circumstance: if you have a dedicated sound card with hardware acceleration. Microsoft removed the hardware acceleration support from Windows Vista and Windows 7, so the sound processing tasks will not be offloaded from the CPU onto the Sound Card.

If you don't have a sound card with hardware acceleration it doesn't matter, of course, but it's something to consider.
 
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Hmmm, I was actually thinking about Windows 7 yesterday, and there is one thing that will make the system perform worse in games in a given circumstance: if you have a dedicated sound card with hardware acceleration. Microsoft removed the hardware acceleration support from Windows Vista and Windows 7, so the sound processing tasks will not be offloaded from the CPU onto the Sound Card.

If you don't have a sound card with hardware acceleration it doesn't matter, of course, but it's something to consider.
Nah, mine is an onboard card, so no problem here.
If you're wondering about going for w7, I'd advise against it. Even your new video card is legacy and I really doubt you'd manage to get the AMD drivers to work properly. Of course, since you have another rig, your gaming needs can be satisfied using that, so it's up to you
I'm not switching back, though. Too much of a hassle.
Ah, right, I also checked out the WEI rating, for ****s and giggles. Results below

EDIT: added a passmark bench pic. I also uploaded my baseline to passmark, so you can get it and compare everything in detail. Just type "ASRock p4i48" in the search string field. You'll find mine easily.
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So the important things I fall behind on are the HDD and the GPU, huh... No surprise there. By the way, are you running SATA or SATA II?


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Nah, mine is an onboard card, so no problem here.
If you're wondering about going for w7, I'd advise against it. Even your new video card is legacy and I really doubt you'd manage to get the AMD drivers to work properly. Of course, since you have another rig, your gaming needs can be satisfied using that, so it's up to you
I'm not switching back, though. Too much of a hassle.
Ah, right, I also checked out the WEI rating, for ****s and giggles. Results below

EDIT: added a passmark bench pic. I also uploaded my baseline to passmark, so you can get it and compare everything in detail. Just type "ASRock p4i48" in the search string field. You'll find mine easily.
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So the important things I fall behind on are the HDD and the GPU, huh... No surprise there. By the way, are you running SATA or SATA II?

The WEI rating you got for the CPU is very interesting

I compiled you Passmark results and mine:

General Mine: 579.3 Yours 464.7

CPU - Mine: 611.1 Yours: 600.3 ---> at what speed are you benchmarking the CPU ?

2D Graphics - Mine: 281.3 Yours: 210.9 ---> Both performances are probably because of the drivers; my Nvidia 7600GS had a better result here; it's a known fact AMD had 2D performance issues, and as far as I know were corrected with Catalyst 10.4. Since we only have 10.2 to use with our legacy cards, that's were we will be at.

3D Graphics - Mine: 786.2 Yours: 231.7 --> the big difference, of course

Memory - Mine: 524.4 Yours: 522.3 ---> again, are you benchmarking the CPU with some kind of overclock that results in lower memory clocks ? Since both the CPU and memory are returning lower values compared to mine, maybe you should do more benchmarks to see if it pays having the CPU overclocked or not. The gap here is minimal though, and could be because of chipset implementation / memory timings or even just the normal benchmark tolerances though.

Disk Mark - Mine: 654.1 Yours: 411.3 ----> I'm using a WD Caviar Blue 320GB, single platter design, SATA. It's SATA 2, but the SATA ports on the motherboard are SATA. Either way, this HDD does not saturate the SATA 1 interface.

CDMark . Mine: 1007.8 Yours: 857.2 ----> here is another difference. I'm using a SATA DVD-RW drive. It's a Sony Optiarc.
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The WEI rating you got for the CPU is very interesting
How should I interpret this remark of yours?
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CPU - Mine: 611.1 Yours: 600.3 ---> at what speed are you benchmarking the CPU ?
Stock. Looks like yours ran like that at first too. Basically, the first test or two might be slightly inaccurate if you don't give your PC a few moments to go into a proper idle state. I just took 2 more CPU tests and it went up to 606,8. The passmark scores aren't a constant, after all. Even if you took several tests on the exact same conditions, you'd get marginal fluctuation.
Well, your chip *might* be marginally better, or your mobo might be able to squeeze a little bit more out of it, IDK. The only way to know for sure is to get decent mobos and attempt to overclock both of 'em

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2D Graphics - Mine: 281.3 Yours: 210.9 ---> Both performances are probably because of the drivers; my Nvidia 7600GS had a better result here; it's a known fact AMD had 2D performance issues, and as far as I know were corrected with Catalyst 10.4. Since we only have 10.2 to use with our legacy cards, that's were we will be at.

3D Graphics - Mine: 786.2 Yours: 231.7 --> the big difference, of course
Normally, my 2d score would be ~240. However, I'm running WDDM drivers right now, so the numbers are all over the place. Actually, were it not for image rendering (the score is almost 5 times higher than while using AMD's drivers, lol), the overall score would have certainly dipped below 200.
The 3d score is accurate and, of course, that's what's bottlenecking my rig.

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Memory - Mine: 524.4 Yours: 522.3 ---> again, are you benchmarking the CPU with some kind of overclock that results in lower memory clocks ? Since both the CPU and memory are returning lower values compared to mine, maybe you should do more benchmarks to see if it pays having the CPU overclocked or not. The gap here is minimal though, and could be because of chipset implementation / memory timings or even just the normal benchmark tolerances though.
Again, the passmark scores aren't a constant and have a slight margin of fluctuation. I just repeated the bench and got 527,2. Considering we have the same amount of DDR400 RAM running at the same frequencies and timings, getting pretty much equal ratings is to be expected. Any real difference (though still only marginal) would be owed to the manufacturers.
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Disk Mark - Mine: 654.1 Yours: 411.3 ----> I'm using a WD Caviar Blue 320GB, single platter design, SATA. It's SATA 2, but the SATA ports on the motherboard are SATA. Either way, this HDD does not saturate the SATA 1 interface.
Ah, no wonder. Mine is ~4-5 years old, after all. Yours is probably a tad more advanced, though I really know jack about the mechanical HDD features.
Ah, it's also capable of SATA2, but the case is the same as with yours - mobo limitations :/
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CDMark . Mine: 1007.8 Yours: 857.2 ----> here is another difference. I'm using a SATA DVD-RW drive. It's a Sony Optiarc.
Haha, mine's a ~5-6 year old IDE Writemaster (samsung in disguise ) DVD-RW. No wonder. I might have to replace it soon, though. It has been indulging in its new hobby for quite some time now, and I'm not really fond of it. It fails to burn any DVD-R DLs (though it could do that splendidly in the past) and only every other normal DVD-R burning operation is successful. Even for that to happen, though, I have to burn at no more than 8X.


P.S. if you're going to do some more passmark benches, I suggest going to the preferences and extending the duration of the tests. I normally use Long. Might be a tad more accurate than the few seconds it takes to do a short test.
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How should I interpret this remark of yours?
A 1.6 Ghz Pentium Dual Core E2140, which is based on the Conroe Architecture (Core 2 Duo), has 1MB of L2 cache and gets 4.3 in Windows 7 32-bit.

Considering our CPU's only have one physical core, it's quite a feat!


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Stock. Looks like yours ran like that at first too. Basically, the first test or two might be slightly inaccurate if you don't give your PC a few moments to go into a proper idle state. I just took 2 more CPU tests and it went up to 606,8. The passmark scores aren't a constant, after all. Even if you took several tests on the exact same conditions, you'd get marginal fluctuation.
Well, your chip *might* be marginally better, or your mobo might be able to squeeze a little bit more out of it, IDK. The only way to know for sure is to get decent mobos and attempt to overclock both of 'em

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Again, the passmark scores aren't a constant and have a slight margin of fluctuation. I just repeated the bench and got 527,2. Considering we have the same amount of DDR400 RAM running at the same frequencies and timings, getting pretty much equal ratings is to be expected. Any real difference (though still only marginal) would be owed to the manufacturers.
Hmmm, I only looked at the last test, heheh. I've never had so many benchmarks around me at the same time, starts to get difficult to keep track of them. Yeah, I guess they might perform about the same then. It's all down to the margin of error, and sometimes even what the Windows background processes are doing at the time.



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Ah, no wonder. Mine is ~4-5 years old, after all. Yours is probably a tad more advanced, though I really know jack about the mechanical HDD features.
Ah, it's also capable of SATA2, but the case is the same as with yours - mobo limitations :/

Ah, that makes all the difference then; your HDD has in all likelihood two platters or even three.


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P.S. if you're going to do some more passmark benches, I suggest going to the preferences and extending the duration of the tests. I normally use Long. Might be a tad more accurate than the few seconds it takes to do a short test.
I think I'm done with benchmarks for now! Phew! LOLOL

Well, actually I still have a whole round to do when the sound card arrives, so, I have to preserve my patience for yet another round of benchmarks LOLOL.
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