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That's a fancy heatsink for the Pentium 4. I bet it keeps it cool.

Mine just has this (which by the way, I should have posted in my first post). It's a Thermaltake TR M12. It does a good enough job keeping it cool, but is slightly louder than I'd like. The GPU fan is louder though anyway.



Sorry for the bad quality. I seem to be getting worse with the camera.

I'm like to switch to SATA for the hard and optical drives (the optical drive isn't hooked up as you may notice, it doesn't read discs anyway), add another hard drive on that note, maybe get a slightly better video card, and get a full size ATX motherboard and maybe swap to another PSU. In essence, that's alot of swapping around for little gain, so it works for now though.

Hmm, are you referring to the picture I just posted ? That heatsink is from the GPU, not the CPU.

It does keep the GPU cool enough alright - at least to the touch - the card itself does not have thermal sensors, the fan is always maxed out since it's an aftermarket Zalman fan (came with the card I bought from eBay) that has a standard fan connector connected to the motherboard (which does not control fan speeds).

For the CPU heatsink, see this post in the thread. It's a Scythe Katana 3, but since the Motherboard does not control the fan's RPM, the stock cooler ran at full speed, which is a loud 2700rpm. I decided to buy a Noiseblocker fan, which is much prettier and runs at 1800rpm, which keeps the CPU at a max of 42.º under full load (30.º - 32.º when idling).


As to your system, you only need to replace the PSU if it 's not a quality one. I'm not familiar with Thermaltake PSU's (I don't don't what company manufacturers for them, that is), but if it is a quality PSU, you really don't need anything more. As long as it is a quality one, you're fine.

I'm running my system with a Corsair CX400w, 80 Plus Certified.

As to the motherboard, you've got a fine motherboard, but I do understand the logic, although you are probably limited in an aspect that has nothing to do with it being a Micro-Atx board, but with the fact it only accepts a maximum of 2GB of RAM.
 
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Well, of course none of it is NEEDED. However, I'd like to prop it up a bit more. It's currently my backup PC (my only other one is an old Pentium III Dell which is hardly sufficient anymore).

The optical drive isn't NEEDED, but in case it is, I have to pull the one from my Dell. So I need one of those, and might as well get SATA.

I'd like to get SATA for thos to clean the IDE cable out, and I'd like the second for putting the swap space on and data. It just feels odd with one hard drive anymore.

A motherboard is more for overclocking. The current one has FSB control, but no voltage control, so it defeats the purpose.

I'm fine with it having 2GB RAM. Most Pentium 4 PCs of the time had just 1GB, which was so much RAM for the longest time.

Lastly, the PSU is, well...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/332

It works for now though.
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Well, of course none of it is NEEDED. However, I'd like to prop it up a bit more. It's currently my backup PC (my only other one is an old Pentium III Dell which is hardly sufficient anymore).

The optical drive isn't NEEDED, but in case it is, I have to pull the one from my Dell. So I need one of those, and might as well get SATA.

I'd like to get SATA for thos to clean the IDE cable out, and I'd like the second for putting the swap space on and data. It just feels odd with one hard drive anymore.

A motherboard is more for overclocking. The current one has FSB control, but no voltage control, so it defeats the purpose.

I'm fine with it having 2GB RAM. Most Pentium 4 PCs of the time had just 1GB, which was so much RAM for the longest time.

Lastly, the PSU is, well...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/332

It works for now though.

When I talked about you only needing to replace the PSU, I was thinking about the need for something better to handle a better videocard, as you mentioned that possibility, not that you have the necessity just because LOL.

Hmmm, that PSU is really something hehehe. Good to use on the Pentium 3 system

As to a SATA optical drive, that's what I did, bought a new one. I had a DVD-ROM, ATA, which was still good, but it is white (and my new case is black), it's huge (from 2001), and, of course, no writing capability. If you search throught this thread you'll see my benchmarks and Hyoketsu's with PassMark Performance Tetst v7 - there are performance gains from newer Optical drives too (not necessarily because of the interface).

Oh, and yes, I really wanted to build this system without ANY ATA/Floppy cables, so when I decided to buy a new case (the one you can see in the photos), I decided to get a new Optical Drive too. It's a Sony Optiarc DVD-RW, probably the best out there - fast, reliable and silent. I have two more; one in my main rig and one in my Media Center. Actually, while they are all from the same manufacturer, they are all different. The one on the Media Center is a retail unit, which comes with the Sony logo on the front and is a shade of darker grey/black, and does not have Lightscribe; the one in my main rig is an OEM, does not have the brand on the front and is a lighter shade of grey, just like the one I bought for the P4 system. The one in my main rig does have Lightscribe, which I often use, while the one in my P4 has Labelflash, which is not compatible with Lightscribe, but I don't intend to use that feature anway.

As to the RAM, I beg to differ. Yes, 1GB was a lot for the P4 systems back then, I actually paid € 100 in 2006 for a 1GB DDR400 stick which is a lot of money when you look at ram prices now, but a year later I fond this to be very limiting with Crysis. I found out this year that going to 1.5 or 2GB makes a BIG difference. And I had the same experience with my Media Center, but with going from 2GB to 4GB, while using 32-bitt Windows XP; I got better framerates when I added more RAM. The game would stutter sometimes with everything set to Medium at 1280x720 (on a Radeon 4670 512MB GDDR3), and after the upgrade I could even put the Shaders to High/Gamer settings.

So, yes, to play modern games you should have at least 3GB.

3GB is probably the sweet spot for a 32-bit systems, even more so considering that 32-bit OS'es have to to map the GPU's memory (if the GPU has 1GB of RAM it will make even slightly less than 3GB of system RAM available) and the other system devices to the main memory, and it is way cheaper to get an additional 2x512MB chips online than 1GB chips.
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i have a pentium d 965 extreme edition (es). i had this forever, i used my qx9650 til it died then had to kick it old skool. its oced to 4500mhz.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1735891
How I would LOVE to have one of those in my spare rig!.
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Finally got around to running 3DMark 11
Hoping the link will actually work as it should. I just used the share link provided on the results page http://3dmark.com/3dm11/927202
Ran it at stock clocks on the CPU as on this board I get instability almost immediately with overclocking :/
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Finally got around to running 3DMark 11
Hoping the link will actually work as it should. I just used the share link provided on the results page http://3dmark.com/3dm11/927202
Ran it at stock clocks on the CPU as on this board I get instability almost immediately with overclocking :/

Hmmm, can you run 3D Mark06 so that we can compare results ? My Pentium 4 system is running Windows XP and a DX9 card, so it won't run anything above 3d Mark06.
 
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Yeah, no bother. I just need to install it but I'll run it as soon as it's done What kind of hardware are you running?

Edit: 6271 3DMarks
SM 2.0 :2535
HDR/SM 3.0 :3568
CPU :1248
How big of a difference would you reckon windows 7 makes vs. XP? I know it probably ruins my ability to play CS:S as I get dips as low as 11fps Really cba to redo my OS though
Edit again: Link http://3dmark.com/3dm06/15577799
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For those who have an 848P based motherboard and/or want to see benchmarks comparing an 848P based motherboard, which features a single channel of DDR400 RAM and the dual channel equipped 865PE and 875P chipset motherboards, here is a review of an Asus motherboard on Anandtech.
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Yeah, no bother. I just need to install it but I'll run it as soon as it's done What kind of hardware are you running?

Edit: spelling :/

Thanks!

Edit: here are my results:

3D Mark06: 4094 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score: 1851.0
HDR/SM3.0 Score: 2330.0
CPU Score: 736.0


This is my system as of today:

- Pentium 4 Northwood, 3.4 Ghz with HT, 800Mhz FSB;
- MSI 848P Neo-V motherboard;
- 2GB DDR 400 in single channel;
- ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 256 MB GDDR3;
- WD Caviar Blue 320GB Sata, 7200rpm;


I'm still waiting for a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 4 to arrive, that should improve framerates in games.


As to Windows XP versus Windows 7, I'd say the the overhead will be greater in Windows 7 compared to Windows XP. Even if it is a huge improvement over Windows Vista, it won't perform better than XP, especially since you are probably not taking advantage of any 64-bit native applications. For a vintage system I'd say stick with XP. XP also has hardware acceleration for sound processing, so if you have a good dedicated Sound Card with hardwarwe acceleration, you can get a few extra fps from your games in XP.
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Thanks!

This is my system as of today:

- Pentium 4 Northwood, 3.4 Ghz with HT, 800Mhz FSB;
- MSI 848P Neo-V motherboard;
- 2GB DDR 400 in single channel;
- ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 256 MB GDDR3;
- WD Caviar Blue 320GB Sata, 7200rpm;


I'm still waiting for a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 4 to arrive, that should improve framerates in games.
Ah okay, well as of today, my i3 motherboard is waiting for me to pay shipping to get it back from scan (it inexplicably fixed itself when I sent it back to them) so my system is a combination of my stacker and an old chieftec case linked by watercooling tubes from one of my 470s and the PSU wires from my HX1000 I just threw the cards into this PC so that I could fold on them while I wait for the other board back, which is why I didn't move the parts to the stacker. Plus I like how it's taking up more space than it has any right to
I edited in the results in my last post btw.

Edit: Just saw your edit. That's pretty good I thought it would get a bit more to be honest though, is '06 multi-threaded for the graphics tests as well as the CPU one or is your card limitting your graphics test scores? I thought the x1950 would keep up with a p4 quite well
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