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I have a Pentium 4 3.20GHz Socket 478
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27501

Also do you guys have any idea on the best way to cool it down? I've changed the fan itself to a faster fan which runs at 3200 rpm. The temp in a warm day goes to 55C but since it is getting colder here, the temp is 46C.
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Is there any specific need to cool it down? 55C is (more than) good enough if that's the worst it gets in real use. If that's it's temperature at idle, then yeah, you want to cool it down some more.

There's this for $20 with free shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835106606

I have one. I can't recall exact temperatures for my 2.8GHz Northwood, but it works pretty well. It might not net you super low temperatures, but I don't think you'll find anything that fancy for socket 478. It's not the quietest, but it's not too loud either, and should definitely keep that cool enough.
You have a northwood CPU, just like me, except I'm using the 3.4 Ghz version.

I have a Thermaltake very similar to that one, it even has two fan control brackets (one for the front, one for the back), the cooling block appears to be the same.

However, it's noisy when at 2500 rpm, which is the rpm needed to get it to cool well. I suspect the newer cooler does not have a fan contrl bracket, so I can't say much for that.


I replaced mine with the Scythe Katana 3, which does a much better cooling job and it has very clever design which you can use on a multitude of sockets, with the simplest and most intelligent design I've seen, including 478, 775, 1156, 1366, and AMD 754, 939, 940, AM2, AM2+ and AM3. You won't get a better cooler for the 478 platform and you can always use it later on another platform.

My CPU has a max load temperature of 42.º and idles at 32.º

If your motherboard does not have a PWM fan control, you can always get a fan control bracket to control the Fan's RPM, as the Scythe's max rpm is a little loud at 2700rpm, or you can get a Noiseblocker XE2 like I did (the Scythe Katana can take any 90mm fan, which is another plus point), which does a fine job at 1800-1900rpm. That is what I'm using and gets the temperatures above.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/1/11 at 9:42am
 
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Thanks again to all who are helping with advice.

I have downloaded some software which I hope will provide the motherboard info that is clearly so vital - it is attached.

Regards to all

Highlanderec
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I'm guessing the 7-28-2005 is referring to the date of your BIOS, and if so, upon checking Foxconn's site, there's been at least two more BIOS releases for your motherboard, one being right after, and another being two years later. I'm guessing that last one added support for some of the early Core 2 CPUs guessing on the year and "Update micro code" notes.

This is your motherboard and this is where you can download the BIOS.

http://www.foxconnsupport.com/downlo...rds=&sort=BIOS

This is the guide they provide on how to flash the BIOS.

http://www.foxconnsupport.com/faq.aspx?faqid=F000000066

That may be for naught though. Chances are, if the board doesn't expose overclocking now, it won't with the new BIOS either, so I wouldn't flash it and take the risk for nothing unless you had to and/or knew what you were doing (generally, it's safe enough, but there is risk and you shouldn't risk it unless you need to).

On the note of that latest BIOS notes, you might be better scouring eBay for a used Core 2 Duo E6600 or something. It looks as though you should be able to snag one for ~$40-$50 or less on eBay.

No, those motherboards DO NOT support Core 2 Duos! They only support Pentium D's. Like I hinted earlier, that chipset is capable of supporting the Core 2 Duo, but it depends on the sepecific
motherboard and the time it came out.

Why ? Because earlier models were designed with the Pentium 4 and the Pentium D power delivering circuitry in mind. The Core 2 Duo needs a more advanced power delivery circuitry (not because of raw power delivery capability though, it's just that the Core 2 Duo has more advanced power features and a different implementation and therefore needs a more sophisticated power delivery system to work) to the CPU, and therefore the earlier motherboards do not support the newer chips.

From the looks of the information you gathered, you have either one of these motherboards:

· 945G7MA-8EKRS2
· 945G7MA-8KS2
· 945G7MA-S
· 945G7MA-8EKRS2H
· 945G7MA-8KS2H


If you look into the Compatibility link on the left of each motherboard page I quoted above, you can see what are the CPU's compatible with these motherboards

They ALL support the Pentium D's (except the Extreme Editions), but NONE supports the Core 2 Duo.

Here are the CPU support tables of one of the above motherboards (they are all the same, you can check for yourself) :

http://www.foxconnsupport.com/cpusup...EKRS2&cputype=
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If you are playing Left 4 Dead 2 (and this probably applies to Left 4 Dead too), go to the advanced video options and set the Paged Pool Memory usage to Low.

This will help a LOT. I was getting hiccups here and there and couldn't quite think what could be causing it - it could be CPU's L2 cache being too little, it could be the AGP aperture size not optimally set in the BIOS (I tried different settings and ended up using 32MB) or it could have to do with this - since I only have 2GB of RAM and it is single channel, the more the game uses the main memory, the worse it will behave. My GPU has a 44.1 GB/s of memory bandwidth - the single channel DDR 400 has a 3.2 GB/s of memory bandwidth - the less it's used for video functions the better.

I set it to low and now even the most demanding chapter - which is the brand new and still in beta phase "Cold Stream" - plays smoothly.
 
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No, those motherboards DO NOT support Core 2 Duos! They only support Pentium D's. Like I hinted earlier, that chipset is capable of supporting the Core 2 Duo, but it depends on the sepecific
motherboard and the time it came out.

Why ? Because earlier models were designed with the Pentium 4 and the Pentium D power delivering circuitry in mind. The Core 2 Duo needs a more advanced power delivery circuitry (not because of raw power delivery capability though, it's just that the Core 2 Duo has more advanced power features and a different implementation and therefore needs a more sophisticated power delivery system to work) to the CPU, and therefore the earlier motherboards do not support the newer chips.
I just know that the 945 chipset can run a Core 2 Duo if a BIOS update was made to accommodate it. My parent's OEM (Compaq) PC has a 945 chipset motherboard that came with a Pentium 4 641, and with a BIOS update, a Pentium Dual-core E2160 (first generation Core 2 based) works in it fine.

You're saying the power circuitry has to do with it? I wonder if this is why some OEMs came out with BIOS updates to allow it and some didn't. I thought it was just laziness on the parts of some of them. That makes sense though if that's why.

Are you sure this specific board won't work with one? The date of the latest BIOS (2007, a year after Core 2 came out) and the note of "CPU micro code" seems suggestive of that to me. I'm not guaranteeing/claiming it though. It's just the first thing to come to mind when seeing the date and notes of the BIOS.
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I just know that the 945 chipset can run a Core 2 Duo if a BIOS update was made to accommodate it. My parent's OEM (Compaq) PC has a 945 chipset motherboard that came with a Pentium 4 641, and with a BIOS update, a Pentium Dual-core E2160 (first generation Core 2 based) works in it fine.
There are even 945 based motherboards that support Core 2 Duos out of the box. In fact, some of those boards are still being made.

Your parent's PC has one of the latter boards - made more evident by the CPU it comes with - the Pentium 4 6xx series came out after the 5xx series, and 6x1 series came even after, so it might actually be from even 2006, with the newer power delivery circuitry. Those Pentium 4's 6xx series were even manufactured after the Core 2 Duo came out for a few months, so nothing to admire there.

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You're saying the power circuitry has to do with it? I wonder if this is why some OEMs came out with BIOS updates to allow it and some didn't. I thought it was just laziness on the parts of some of them. That makes sense though if that's why.
Yep, there was even some outrage back then because lots of people had Pentium 4's and Pentium D's and wanted to upgrade to Core 2 Duo but had the earlier motherboards and thus couldn't.

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Are you sure this specific board won't work with one? The date of the latest BIOS (2007, a year after Core 2 came out) and the note of "CPU micro code" seems suggestive of that to me. I'm not guaranteeing/claiming it though. It's just the first thing to come to mind when seeing the date and notes of the BIOS.

On his motherboard, whichever model number it may be, you just have to check the CPU compatibility list I pointed out to. I'm not saying that specific board does not support Core 2 Duos, and they might as well have forgotten to update that list, but it is highly unlikely, and you could end up with a damaged chip. If the board is from 2004 or 2005, odds are it is not compatible. Only those boards sold just before the Core 2 Duo was presented have that possibility.

As to BIOS dates, my MSI 848P 478 Socket has the latest BIOS from 2006 (and mind you that the last Pentium 4, the one I'm using - 3.4 Ghz - came out in February 2004), so that doesn't mean much in regards to CPU support. They might have added better support for a given CPU - there are many cases where the motherboard already works with newer CPU's but don't identify it correctly or take advantage of all the features. In his case, it might be adding support for the 65nm R0 revision Pentium 4 6x2 series. Those CPU's had a 65w TDP, and a specific model number, so it's very likely becasue of that, sometimes it's just pro-forma, the board will work fine with the CPU even without the update.

I remember once I installed a Pentium 3 450Mhz in a Pentium 2 motherboard 440BX Chipset - but had yet to update the BIOS to the latest one. The PC booted fine - the only thing was that in the boot screen it would appear as a Pentium 2 instead of a Pentium 3.
 
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I have a pentium d as a backup computer. Does that count?
    
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I have a pentium d as a backup computer. Does that count?
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I have a celeron e1200 i bought off ebay.
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Technically, though it's called it's Celeron, that's Core 2 based, not Pentium4/Netburst based, so it isn't the same.
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Hey Folks,

Thank you so much for your time and effort in guiding me.

I think I have got the message:

Change graphics card.
Change processor to Dual Core - compatible with chipset.
Bit more RAM
Update bios.

At least the last will be free :-)
As for the others...... E Bay and BidorBuy here I come.

Thanks again.

Highlanderec
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