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Ok, so I bought the Gigabyte HD4650 AGP.

Here are pictures:

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This is all that comes in the box really, the card doesn't need any adapters as it has 1 DVI, 1 VGA and 1 HDMI 1.3a and... (notice that some people said they had to trim the HDMI cable's plastic to be able to connect it, given that the HDMI port is very near the edge of the card.

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Contrary to Gigabyte's site, they are now selling a newer version that does not have a PCie coonector, but instead a molex. They save money, since they don't have to bundle an adapter, and even people with newer PSU's have molex connectors, so it's a win-win situation for them.

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It idles at 35.º, 36.º, the cooler is not as silent as I would expect, but not exactly loud either. It's not suitable for a Media Center in my opinion (unless you've got a very good case with good sound insulation).


I have already run the Benchmarks, and it's a mixed bag.

Passmark gives me the lowest score EVER. And 3D Mark 06 and PCMar05 also give me lower scores than with the X1950 Pro.

This does havea good explanation: AMD screwed (I think it was on purpose, so they can sell more Professional Cards) their 2D performance. Actually Tom's Hadware noticed it and made 2 articles about it. The problem was more or less solved (performance improved a lot) with Catalyst 10.4.

The problem is I can't get the AGP Hotfix Drivers to work, as so many other buyers.

The only drivers that work are Catalyst 9.6 that come with the driver CD or Catalyst 9.9 (I guess that is the version, they are from September 2009) Release Candidate 9, that are on Gigabyte's website.

So, not only does 2D performance suffer, since I can't get newer drivers to work, I also can't get Youtube Flash HD acceleration which came with Catalyst 10.1 or 10.3... pffff...

In games the story is better as I can play with AA and AF and higher detail, where I couldn't with the X1950 Pro.

I'll post the benchmarks in a few hours.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/14/11 at 12:24am
 
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Too bad about the failing drivers. A veeeeery unlikely to be true suggestion, but, by any chance, could you have DLed the drivers intended for a different version of windows? biggrin.gif

Anyway, I wonder exactly how big of a difference there is in 3d - how does the more modern architecture and a higher amount of memory compare with a higher bus speed and nearly thrice the memory bandwidth? Interesting.
     
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Originally Posted by Hyoketsu;13122375 
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Too bad about the failing drivers. A veeeeery unlikely to be true suggestion, but, by any chance, could you have DLed the drivers intended for a different version of windows? biggrin.gif

Anyway, I wonder exactly how big of a difference there is in 3d - how does the more modern architecture and a higher amount of memory compare with a higher bus speed and nearly thrice the memory bandwidth? Interesting.

No, not at all, Windows XP drivers. Although they behave as if they were for another OS LOLOL. You can actually see the desktop in a 16 colors for a few seconds before the system just reboots... and it will do it in a loop until you press F8 during startup to start in Safe Mode (dtarting in VGA mode does not work).

That was one of my worries - after all this card has the same memory bandwidth as my 7600GS. I'll be posting the benchmarks in a few minutes.
 
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I was really frustrated with the fact I couldn't get Catalyst 11.3 AGP Hotfix to install, so I went looking if there was a solution for the problem.

As another user pointed out in the AMD forum, AMD only keeps the last AGP hotfix available, which is quite frankly, a very stupid thing to do, even more so considering none of the AGP drivers are actually thoroughly tested, and thus not certified, so it would only be logical if they at least gave users the chance to try out older versions.

Guess what ? Older versions do work!

I've been reading a few threads over at the AMD forum and it seems the newer 11 series drivers are giving many people a headache. Some also report having problems with 10.11 and 10.12, with 10.10 being the one cited as being problem free. You can read more here and here.

So I googled it up, and ended up finding a third party site where I could download the 10.10 AGP drivers from (Softpedia, here). Interestingly, this package actually has the Radeon Premium Graphics logo, where all the other versions I have (the one that came on the CD, the RC9 from Gigabyte's site and the 11.3 AGP Hotfix) all have the AMD logo, which is normally used for Beta and Hotfix drivers

The driver is correctly installed and so far everything seems fine, but I have some testing to do. GPU-Z confirms that Catalyst 10.10 is installed biggrin.gif

Catalyst Control Center on the other hand doesn't load. You click on it but nothing happens. Guess I'll have to uninstall it and reinstall the previous version of CCC.

So, this means I'll retest everything. I'll post benchmarks tomorrow (including the ones I already made with the older driver)
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Hi, I am thinking of buying a new motherboard for overclocking (current is locked). I searched around the Internet and found one mobo that can be good (Intel D102GGC2). What you think, should I buy it?

Also, could any1 give a link or names of chipsets that OC quite easily (It should support DDR memory and Pentium IV 630).
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Originally Posted by karolis94;13135399 
Hi, I am thinking of buying a new motherboard for overclocking (current is locked). I searched around the Internet and found one mobo that can be good (Intel D102GGC2). What you think, should I buy it?

Also, could any1 give a link or names of chipsets that OC quite easily (It should support DDR memory and Pentium IV 630).



Welcome to the club.

As to the Intel Motherboard, no you should not buy it.

Intel boards from that time were not designed to be overclocked and from the user's manual you can't find a single reference to overclocking. THere is one mention of advanced options, but it's not clear what's in it. Furthermore it says on page 67 of the user's manual it features a Bios designed by Intel, so overclocking is probably out of the equation. And that one is a Micro ATX board. Micro ATX boards are not designed with with overclocking in mind. And that MB only supports a max of 2GB of RAM.

I think that is enough reasons not to buy it.

Try getting a motherboard that supports 4GB of RAM, from Asus or Gigabyte.

Get a MB with a 945 chipset. Those are cheap and easy to find, will work with your CPU, and, if you get one of the later models, you even get Core 2 Duo support (for CPU's with and 800 Mhz FSB - Core 2 Duo E4xxx and Pentium Dual-Core E2xxx and E5xxx series.)

If you want to overclock though, I would suggest something with a different chipset: get the P965 chipset. Those feature a 1066Mhz FSB, are compatible with your CPU, and further down the road you can even install a Core Duo or even a Core 2 Quad Q6600 or 6700 (or even a QX6800)
 
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Welcome to the club.

As to the Intel Motherboard, no you should not buy it.

Intel boards from that time were not designed to be overclocked and from the user's manual you can't find a single reference to overclocking. THere is one mention of advanced options, but it's not clear what's in it. Furthermore it says on page 67 of the user's manual it features a Bios designed by Intel, so overclocking is probably out of the equation. And that one is a Micro ATX board. Micro ATX boards are not designed with with overclocking in mind. And that MB only supports a max of 2GB of RAM.

I think that is enough reasons not to buy it.

Try getting a motherboard that supports 4GB of RAM, from Asus or Gigabyte.

Get a MB with a 945 chipset. Those are cheap and easy to find, will work with your CPU, and, if you get one of the later models, you even get Core 2 Duo support (for CPU's with and 800 Mhz FSB - Core 2 Duo E4xxx and Pentium Dual-Core E2xxx and E5xxx series.)

If you want to overclock though, I would suggest something with a different chipset: get the P965 chipset. Those feature a 1066Mhz FSB, are compatible with your CPU, and further down the road you can even install a Core Duo or even a Core 2 Quad Q6600 or 6700 (or even a QX6800)

Thanks for advices, I'll probably look for P965
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no p4 for now and a stupid guy wanted to sell me box from xfx 7600gt agp but inside was asus 8400gs for 10€
     
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no p4 for now and a stupid guy wanted to sell me box from xfx 7600gt agp but inside was asus 8400gs for 10€

Well, yes, that would have been bad, since for starters the 8400gs is not even AGP.



Oh, I didn't forget to post the P4 with the HD4650 benchmarks and both the driver than came with the card and the newer 10.10 drivers, but I've been busy with my main rig, so I'll post them later this week.

All I can say for now is that with the 10.10 driver installed I can play Crysis with the Shaders set to High and AA at 2x (4x starts stuttering, but 2x is fine)!
 
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