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my geforce 4 mx 440 is bios dead (tried to flash the mac bios) using 3d prothet 4500 64mb agp (kyro2)
Wow, talk about coincidence. My sister's PC just went bad, and I let her borrow my very old Dell Dimension 4100 with awfully similar hardware. It's a Pentium III 933MHz, 384MB SDRAM 133MHz, and an ATI Rage 128 Ultra. It runs Windows 200 SP4. It had a GeForce 4 MX440, but like yours, has issues. The drivers install, but won't start, and I've also since found out it's VRAM is slightly bad.
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Woot! The Magic 4! Intelburned it for 20 runs and it never flinch. Temps never went more than 53C. This Delta fan/XP120 is amazing. It's already high to begin with. about 46C on Idle and 53C load.
I knew it! I knew it! This rig will Pwn a lot of Rigs back in 2004. I hand picked this parts coz I know this perform well. 4Ghz is unheard of back in 2004. It's almost imposible to achieve, especially on air. But then again, I prolly will not even try to OC it beyond 3.8Ghz and stress test it back then, coz I will be too scared to fry the CPU. Oh well.
49C running Intel Burn Test with that much voltage!?

Okay, this has swayed me. It is coming out...

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...and going into the PC in my signature.

A question. Do you guys think disabling Hyper-threading will help it run cooler and maybe overclock a bit further? We see this trend with Nehalem and Sandy Bridge. I thought the consensus back in the Netburst days was that it didn't change temperatures though.
Edited by Princess Garnet - 4/28/11 at 2:17am
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A question. Do you guys think disabling Hyper-threading will help it run cooler and maybe overclock a bit further? We see this trend with Nehalem and Sandy Bridge. I thought the consensus back in the Netburst days was that it didn't change temperatures though.
It should let you OC a bit more, I think. When I tried OCing my 3.4 NW, at some point, when I went heaps overboard, it would just restart immediately after posting. When I disabled HT, though, it would go as far as the windows welcome screen and THEN reset An improvement? Sure, a slight one.
Is it worth it?
I'd say no, though it might vary between different CPUs. HT helps A LOT when multitasking. It might not be that obvious on the modern multi-core CPUs, but on these single-core oldies, the difference is very noticeable.
Try different settings and see whether the MHz gain is able to compensate for the loss of HT. I, personally, don't think it can.
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I'd say no, though it might vary between different CPUs. HT helps A LOT when multitasking. It might not be that obvious on the modern multi-core CPUs, but on these single-core oldies, the difference is very noticeable.
Well, remember, I'm throwing it in my signature PC just temporarily to try it take as high as I can (safely) for the sake of it, so how it performs isn't my biggest concern.
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Well, remember, I'm throwing it in my signature PC just temporarily to try it take as high as I can (safely) for the sake of it, so how it performs isn't my biggest concern.
A P4 641 ? That is pretty good (it has idle states, according to Intel's Ark, whereas the 640 doesn't), 65nm, on a X38 board, you can probably take it to 4+ Ghz

I doubt you can do much better than what you already can with your E8600 on air though.
 
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Well, I was hoping for better.



It probably wasn't even stable. 4.5GHz needs ~1.4V. 4.25GHz needs ~1.376V-1.384V (might be able to do a bit lower, I didn't waste hours finding exact limits).



You'd think surely if it did 4.25GHz at 1.384V, and 4.5GHz at 1.4V, then surely I'd be able to get another measly 500MHz more if I dumped up to 1.8V+ into it, but no. Talk about a wall. After ~4.5GHz, there's just a serious wall with voltage needed. I was able to almost get the even 5GHz I was aiming for, but only in the BIOS.



That's the refresh rate flicker you're seeing, not the BIOS messed up. It just wouldn't boot to Windows. 300MHz FSB for 4.8GHz was attainable, but that extra 13MHz FSB just wouldn't go. It wouldn't even start to get out of the BIOS. It'd give me a warning about CPU overvoltage (which is normal if the voltage is set above a certain threshold), and then go to say "Press F1 to continue" or something, then immediately shut down. I gave it up to 1.9V in the BIOS (which would end up being ~1.85V) and it still wouldn't do it. It seems this specific chip isn't too great if it has a wall that bad (or there's something else I missed, but I'm about positive it wasn't RAM or anything).

So, kind of disappointing.

It's still running fine at stock levels, so it lives, but who knows how well and/or for how long. I don't want to intentionally kill it, but I wanted 5GHz in Windows. Oh well.
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Well, I was hoping for better.


It probably wasn't even stable. 4.5GHz needs ~1.4V. 4.25GHz needs ~1.376V-1.384V (might be able to do a bit lower, I didn't waste hours finding exact limits).

You'd think surely if it did 4.25GHz at 1.384V, and 4.5GHz at 1.4V, then surely I'd be able to get another measly 500MHz more if I dumped up to 1.8V+ into it, but no. Talk about a wall. After ~4.5GHz, there's just a serious wall with voltage needed. I was able to almost get the even 5GHz I was aiming for, but only in the BIOS.


That's the refresh rate flicker you're seeing, not the BIOS messed up. It just wouldn't boot to Windows. 300MHz FSB for 4.8GHz was attainable, but that extra 13MHz FSB just wouldn't go. It wouldn't even start to get out of the BIOS. It'd give me a warning about CPU overvoltage (which is normal if the voltage is set above a certain threshold), and then go to say "Press F1 to continue" or something, then immediately shut down. I gave it up to 1.9V in the BIOS (which would end up being ~1.85V) and it still wouldn't do it. It seems this specific chip isn't too great if it has a wall that bad (or there's something else I missed, but I'm about positive it wasn't RAM or anything).

So, kind of disappointing.

It's still running fine at stock levels, so it lives, but who knows how well and/or for how long. I don't want to intentionally kill it, but I wanted 5GHz in Windows. Oh well.

You want more? Go DICE/LN2.

4.8GHz on netburst with such cooling is simply mindblowing Even though the voltage was bonkers, your ~7 year old CPU was clocked at nearly the same level folks get from today's Sandy Bridge CPUs. And those are called EASY to overclock.
You deserve one hell of a cookie for this, seriously
I do understand your frustration too, though. The "magic five" would've been awesome, had it booted
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Well, I was hoping for better.



It probably wasn't even stable. 4.5GHz needs ~1.4V. 4.25GHz needs ~1.376V-1.384V (might be able to do a bit lower, I didn't waste hours finding exact limits).



You'd think surely if it did 4.25GHz at 1.384V, and 4.5GHz at 1.4V, then surely I'd be able to get another measly 500MHz more if I dumped up to 1.8V+ into it, but no. Talk about a wall. After ~4.5GHz, there's just a serious wall with voltage needed. I was able to almost get the even 5GHz I was aiming for, but only in the BIOS.



That's the refresh rate flicker you're seeing, not the BIOS messed up. It just wouldn't boot to Windows. 300MHz FSB for 4.8GHz was attainable, but that extra 13MHz FSB just wouldn't go. It wouldn't even start to get out of the BIOS. It'd give me a warning about CPU overvoltage (which is normal if the voltage is set above a certain threshold), and then go to say "Press F1 to continue" or something, then immediately shut down. I gave it up to 1.9V in the BIOS (which would end up being ~1.85V) and it still wouldn't do it. It seems this specific chip isn't too great if it has a wall that bad (or there's something else I missed, but I'm about positive it wasn't RAM or anything).

So, kind of disappointing.

It's still running fine at stock levels, so it lives, but who knows how well and/or for how long. I don't want to intentionally kill it, but I wanted 5GHz in Windows. Oh well.

Wow! Well done Princess!

I honestly didn't know it was possible to get such results on air. And it's idling pretty cool at 4.2 Ghz. Did you run any benchmarks and log temps at load ?

You can now once and for all call rubbish on those guys you quote in your sig
 
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I'll get some temperature results from it at 4.25GHz with Intel Burn Test going. It's still in but at stock (idling at ~27C right now). Anything else to request before I take it out and put the Core 2 Duo E8600 back in?

Also, it seems... slow? I know it's a Pentium 4 and isn't very speedy by nature, but I tried it in Crysis Warhead just for the sake of it, and I was seeing like 8FPS-12FPS average, up to 20FPS here and there. It was an unplayable slideshow. Odd when my other Pentium 4 2.8GHz and GeForce 6800GS did a bit better (not by much, but still).
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You want more? Go DICE/LN2.

4.8GHz on netburst with such cooling is simply mindblowing Even though the voltage was bonkers, your ~7 year old CPU was clocked at nearly the same level folks get from today's Sandy Bridge CPUs. And those are called EASY to overclock.
You deserve one hell of a cookie for this, seriously
I do understand your frustration too, though. The "magic five" would've been awesome, had it booted
Thanks, but I was still hoping for more since my Core 2 hits 4.8GHz as well (and with it, RAM becomes a limit, not the CPU), and Pentium 4s have higher records, so like you said, I was hoping for at least 5GHz from it. Close enough I guess.

It wasn't on stock cooling. It was on air though. It didn't seem like temperature were the issue. I could be wrong though.
Edited by Princess Garnet - 4/30/11 at 1:17pm
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Okay, here's load temperatures at 4.25GHz, which seems didn't need quite as much as 1.384V as I first had it.





It swung between these two temperatures. It sat at 53C-54C most of the time.

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