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There's a PIII server at my workplace, but I haven't yet had the chance to fiddle with it. In regards to owning one - no, I have never owned any s370 rigs, only used a couple at my friends' places.

Why? Did you want to compare benches? smile.gif

No it isnt about benches.

I used spares lying around my place to build this system.
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I still haven't put the P3 rig together, but will soon.

Like Hyoketsu asked, do you want to compare benches ?

I have just one problem, it'll have to be some Linux based benches, or benches that can run in Windows 98SE, as those are the only OS'es I can put in it right now.
How much max memory can it support?

Mine does 512MB SD RAM(2x256MB)

You can try Windows ThinPC for benching if it has a decent amount of memory.

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Oh, also, if that P3 will be used for downloads, it would be good if you could tell us your connection speed.
You see, high speeds put quite a bit of stress on the CPU. For example, even with all unnecessary processes off (OS - WinXP), I could only get ~5-6mB/s max (via utorrent) when I was running my old netburst celeron (2.4GHz, 128KB L2, FSB400). The CPU usage would stay at ~90-95% and the DL speed would not go any higher, though my plan would have allowed me to reach up to 10mB/s. Once I popped in my (R.I.P.)2.6GHz P4 Northwood, the problem went away. Long story short - your P3 might not be able to handle your downloads at high speeds, though, I imagine, you should be able to get ~1-2mB/s, depending on the specs.
My connection speed maxs out at 512KBps i.e. 60Kb/s

I never thought connection speeds take a toll on the CPU.

My CPU is a Celeron 1.1Ghz SL5ZE Tualatin.
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Wait wait wait... Now that I did some digging in this stupid Intel BIOS.. I DO HAVE SPEEDSTEP ON. What is this madness? So, I guess the whole "Oh, well, speedstep means you idle at 30 or 40C" is WRONG.
Hahaha, it's always amusing when people generalize (and capitalize, btw) when all the while it's only happening to them.

Some suggestions why it's happening to you:

1. Check Hyoketsu's suggestion, you must be using the Intel heatsink that came with your CPU. Some Intel socket 775 heatsinks don't come with a copper core, so if you're using the wrong one, there cold be your problem. And some that come with a copper core are smaller than others. The case in point is, if you haven't got the right one, that could be your explanation;


2. You admit the airflow in your system is not the best. Did you do some cable management ? Show us some pics;

3.1. According to your sig rig, your PSU is not the best, have you checked how stable it is delivering power ?;

3.2. Do some visual inspection on the motherboard. Are all the capacitors in good shape, or are some starting to show bulging tops ? Or has one or more blown their tops off ?

4.1. Where are you measuring the CPU's temp ? You said you measured with a probe, but after that you also said the BIOS reported 48.º. Don't do it in the BIOS because in the BIOS Speedstep is not working. It only works inside an OS that supports its;

4.2. Use a program like Hardware Monitor by CPUID (same place where you get CPU-Z from);

4.3. Going back to the probe you said you used, what kind of probe is it ? Can it be calibrated ? More, depending on the probe, you may have been getting some increase in temperature because of the surrounding Northbridge, which gets much hotter than a CPU. Northbridges were normally made using a tech node below the one used for the CPU. 65nm CPU's normally went together with a chipset that was made using 90nm tech. That, and the fact it is fanless, means it gets hot. But it was designed to withstand that heat. However, if while measuring the CPU's temps the probe accidentally touched / came very close to the Northbridge, there could be your problem.
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How much max memory can it support?

Mine does 512MB SD RAM(2x256MB)

You can try Windows ThinPC for benching if it has a decent amount of memory.



My connection speed maxs out at 512KBps i.e. 60Kb/s

I never thought connection speeds take a toll on the CPU.

My CPU is a Celeron 1.1Ghz SL5ZE Tualatin.
My motherboard can support a max of 512MB. It does have three slots, but only two are populated by two 256MB PC133 SDRAM. Intel says the board won't initialize with more than 512MB installed. I think Intel put this limitation to all consumer P3 boards. Only VIA boards allowed for more, right ? It probably had something to do with the fact Windows 98 didn't get along well with more than 512MB.

Is Windows ThinPC now freely available from Microsoft ? The last time I read about it I think they only made it available to certain organizations that showed the need for it. If it's freely available, I'm all in for it!


Hyoketsu: not everybody lives in your country man

(I can't complain though, I have a 30mbps fiber optic connection)

The P3 should still be enough for most downloads, especially because you can't pair it with more than a 100mbps LAN card, and then most people don't even have a third of that speed when it comes to the Internet connection. Some people in the US have a thirtieth (3 Mbps) of that speed, so it won't be a problem.

I once read a story of a guy who put broadband on a 486 or Pentium system and the OS would crash because it couldn't handle the large flow of information LOLOLOL.

Having said that, a few years ago I installed a 10mbps ISA Ethernet card on my 486 system (now a Cyrix 5x86), and yes, the whole thing was very slow, but it didn't crash. But I didn't test download speed. I only browsed the web, and there you have all sorts of bottlenecks, like lack of RAM, lack of CPU power to render the page, lack of VRAM, lack of GPU performance, etc.
 
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Got a 3GHz P4 mPGA478 in the old server rig, and a 3.2GHz Celeron D 352 just layin around....
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I once read a story of a guy who put broadband on a 486 or Pentium system and the OS would crash because it couldn't handle the large flow of information LOLOLOL.

Having said that, a few years ago I installed a 10mbps ISA Ethernet card on my 486 system (now a Cyrix 5x86), and yes, the whole thing was very slow, but it didn't crash. But I didn't test download speed. I only browsed the web, and there you have all sorts of bottlenecks, like lack of RAM, lack of CPU power to render the page, lack of VRAM, lack of GPU performance, etc.
Haha
I installed win98 on a VM and it doesn't want to accept anything besides dial-up I might have overlooked something, though. What OS did you put in that fossil of yours?
     
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Anybody got a Pentium 3/Celeron( socket 370) based rig.
I have a Pentium III-S (512k cache) 1.4GHz, ASUS TUV4X (1.5GB SDRAM support, AGP4x AGP Pro), and various PC133 SDRAM (512MB, 256MB, and 128MB). It's not assembled as a PC at the moment though.
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^ ^ ^

Nice I was running something similiar for many years. Pentium III-S 1.4GHz@1.5GHz (RAM bottleneck), OCZ Enhanced PC133 (spec'd to run at PC150, but only 1 stick could do that), ABit ST6, etc, etc. Just sitting around now, not sure if it's worth selling. Also have a spare III-S 1.4GHz and 1.1a Tualatin chip lying around :/
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Yeah, the RAM is mixed (although it all has Micron chips of the same speed/timings) and not enthusiast stuff, so I'm not sure how it'd fare. I never tried overclocking it, but it only has stock cooling anyway.
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Haha
I installed win98 on a VM and it doesn't want to accept anything besides dial-up I might have overlooked something, though. What OS did you put in that fossil of yours?
Windows 98SE.

It started as a 486SX2 (yep, made by AMD, lacked the math co-processor, which meant I couldn't play Doom or Quake at that moment) with 4MB of RAM and a 420 MB HDD - 3600rpm (!), with built in graphics 1MB of VRAM(Cirrus Logic, Vesa Local Bus) and built-in sound, 2x CD-ROM, with Dos 6.2 and Windows 3.1.


I upgraded it a few times. As it stands it is now a (and bear in mind the motherboard is the same) Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz, has 84MB of RAM (oout of a MAX of 100 MB), a 6 GB Maxtor 5400RPM HDD (BIOS only recoginzes HDD's up to 8 GB, it was standard for PC's of that time), 24x Creative CD-ROM, a Linksys Ether 16 Lan card and Windows 98SE + Office 2000 + Opera. I even installed MSN Messenger 5.0, which is the last Messenger to support 486 CPU's and it worked. Talked to a cousin of mine through it I think Microsoft discontinued support for older versions of Messenger a few months ago though (security reasons).

I'm still missing the +1 MB of VRAM upgrade (which also increases the GPU's memory architecture from 32 bits to 64 bits) and the 128Kb of L2 cache upgrade (it came with none and still has none).

Actually, I intend to turn it on in a few days when I buy a new monitor for my main rig. That will leave my 20 inch to play with the P4 system, and the 15 inch LG that is now connected to the P4 goes very well with the 5x86


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I have a Pentium III-S (512k cache) 1.4GHz, ASUS TUV4X (1.5GB SDRAM support, AGP4x AGP Pro), and various PC133 SDRAM (512MB, 256MB, and 128MB). It's not assembled as a PC at the moment though.
I so wanted to have that CPU! Up until now I could only find some relatively expensive ones on ebay. But you gave me the idea again, so I went there and found one in the UK! Just bough it I don't have a compatible motherboard, but who cares! I collect CPU's like people collect coins
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