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How do you live with that PC?
Well, I've got no choice. I had no job until recently and my family's not exactly rich either, so I have to make do with what I have. Actually, this PC ain't that bad. Once I change the mobo and get a new GPU, this thing will kick arse Another good thing about this PC is that I can overclock it/experiment with the settings to my heart's content, as it's not an expensive modern build The experience will come in handy once I come around to building myself a performance rig.

@tpi: nice temps I guess it comes as not much of a surprise that a case with a well-configured intake and/or exhaust system beats a primitive caseless setup like mine.

Hmm, I wonder whether I could somehow attach a fan to the back side of the 'Katana. The angle's a bit nasty, but if the fan were to be a tad smaller that the one on the front... hmmm...
EDIT: an 80mm fan would fit, confirmed it. However, it would be problematic to securely mount it and the result would most probably look awful. It's not worth the hassle.
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Well, I've got no choice. I had no job until recently and my family's not exactly rich either, so I have to make do with what I have. Actually, this PC ain't that bad. Once I change the mobo and get a new GPU, this thing will kick arse Another good thing about this PC is that I can overclock it/experiment with the settings to my heart's content, as it's not an expensive modern build The experience will come in handy once I come around to building myself a performance rig.

@tpi: nice temps I guess it comes as not much of a surprise that a case with a well-configured intake and/or exhaust system beats a primitive caseless setup like mine.

Hmm, I wonder whether I could somehow attach a fan to the back side of the 'Katana. The angle's a bit nasty, but if the fan were to be a tad smaller that the one on the front... hmmm...
Thanks! I didn't test it at load because I still haven't drilled the hole to put the grille and fan at the top.

Wanna make a push/pull setup heh ?

I doubt you can find a fan that fits because of not only the angle, but also because it has that mini heatsink too, leaving no space for another fan.
 
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Huuuh, I see it's a 775 CPU. If the mobo is decent, you could get away with a decent quad and a better gpu for a few more years.
Anyway, welcome
Indeed it is a 775 CPU/Mobo. And NOPE the mobo doesn't do anything but Pentium 4s.

http://www.intel.com/support/motherb.../CS-026959.htm

If it had Core2 duo/quad support, I'd be all over it. Mein Q9550/Q6600/E8400/whatever I can get my hands on. Thanks ^_^
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Well, I've got no choice. I had no job until recently and my family's not exactly rich either, so I have to make do with what I have. Actually, this PC ain't that bad. Once I change the mobo and get a new GPU, this thing will kick arse Another good thing about this PC is that I can overclock it/experiment with the settings to my heart's content, as it's not an expensive modern build The experience will come in handy once I come around to building myself a performance rig.

Still, i am not rich either. But a 478 socket? That's pretty old. Plus no amount of oc knowledge of those chipsets will benefit you on newer 'i' series build. They are completely different. Ask me :/.

Still at least you have dedicated GPU. I dont.

But just for fun , my processor is faster than yours isn't it? Overall?
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Still, i am not rich either. But a 478 socket? That's pretty old. Plus no amount of oc knowledge of those chipsets will benefit you on newer 'i' series build. They are completely different. Ask me :/.

Still at least you have dedicated GPU. I dont.

But just for fun , my processor is faster than yours isn't it? Overall?

I'm not talking on behalf of Hyoketsu, but given that we share the same passion for this club, I think he means in terms of confidence. Sometimes people just don't overclock because they are afraid of even tinkering with BIOS settings. Doing it on an older system, where you can easily go on eBay and buy a cheap CPU replacement, does give you a playing field for experimentation and added confidence, even if you can't directly translate it to a new platform, but it does put away some of the fear "Oh my, this thing is going to explode if I mess with it" LOL.

As to your 2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 520... now way man, you're way slower than us lolol.

No, seriously, you are. A Prescott at 2.8 Ghz is slower than a 2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 Northwood. If you want something comparable you need a 3.4 Ghz Prescott, as it scales well with added speed. Ideally a 3.6 Ghz. You'd best go with the 600 series though, they add an extra MB of cache, Speedstep, more overclocking headroom, cooler running (65nm tech on the 6x1 and 6x2 series), 64 bit support, etc. A 3.4 Ghz 600 series is a nice choice for the 775 platform.
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Welcome to the club!
Also, GIMME DAT MOBO NAO!
That's one nice mobo you have there. There are a few things that, in my eyes, bring it below perfection, though.
1: Southbridge - ICH5R. I could swear I've seen s478 mobos with ICH7R. Could be mistaken, though.
2: Only 2 SATA ports. I'd like ~4: 2 for a HDD raid and 1-2 for ODs.
3: CPU voltage adjustments top at 1.6V

Still, it's heaps better than my crappy ol' p4i48...
Can't wait till payday!
It's funny actually, I bought the motherboard off ebay for $20. brand-new in the box. Only thing was someone had opened it purely to get to the little package of TIM that was included. Really lucked out on that deal
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As to your 2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 520... now way man, you're way slower than us lolol.

No, seriously, you are. A Prescott at 2.8 Ghz is slower than a 2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 Northwood. If you want something comparable you need a 3.4 Ghz Prescott, as it scales well with added speed. Ideally a 3.6 Ghz. You'd best go with the 600 series though, they add an extra MB of cache, Speedstep, more overclocking headroom, cooler running (65nm tech on the 6x1 and 6x2 series), 64 bit support, etc. A 3.4 Ghz 600 series is a nice choice for the 775 platform.
I never wanted to go this way, but you just made me do it.

Are you pulling my leg ? If not... then you are seriously misguided.

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=27504,27459

Prescotts are much popular in overclocking community. I own another P4 http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?spec=SL7YU. It cant compare my current processor until i OC it to at least 3.5. Even at 3.5 it sometimes struggles to play a 720p video, where as my current will even play at stock.

Plus i did wrote overall. He has his at stock, but try to look at my PC specs before commenting.

Yes i know how popular Northwood is, but in these days you need more cache. a 512 isn't comparable to 1024. Heat isn't a factor as Northwood is 130 compared to Prescott's 90 so they cancel each other. Prescotts can OC more, No comparison here. If you want to say that there is no difference or advantage of smaller fabrication sizes, then today's long rants about 32nm is better than xx this and that would all be non sense. When they surely aren't.
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Hmm, I wonder whether I could somehow attach a fan to the back side of the 'Katana. The angle's a bit nasty, but if the fan were to be a tad smaller that the one on the front... hmmm...
EDIT: an 80mm fan would fit, confirmed it. However, it would be problematic to securely mount it and the result would most probably look awful. It's not worth the hassle.
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I never wanted to go this way, but you just made me do it.

Are you pulling my leg ? If not... then you are seriously misguided.

http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=27504,27459

Prescotts are much popular in overclocking community. I own another P4 http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?spec=SL7YU. It cant compare my current processor until i OC it to at least 3.5. Even at 3.5 it sometimes struggles to play a 720p video, where as my current will even play at stock.

Plus i did wrote overall. He has his at stock, but try to look at my PC specs before commenting.

Yes i know how popular Northwood is, but in these days you need more cache. a 512 isn't comparable to 1024. Heat isn't a factor as Northwood is 130 compared to Prescott's 90 so they cancel each other. Prescotts can OC more, No comparison here. If you want to say that there is no difference or advantage of smaller fabrication sizes, then today's long rants about 32nm is better than xx this and that would all be non sense. When they surely aren't.

Hmmm ? What ? You got me all wrong.

You asked if your CPU was better than his. At stock, which is what I was talking about, it isn't. Not by a long shot. A 2.8 Ghz Prescott is way behind a 3.4 Ghz Northwood. And it doesn't even matter if it has 1Mb of cache against 512kb of cache. The long pipeline on the Prescott cancels out the advantages, and it endures a severe performance hit every time the long pipeline has to be flushed.

Plus, I didn't notice you had overclocked you CPU. It's good practice on OCN to put the speed on your visible system specs, like everybody else does, and not only on the detailed section. I, most likely like everybody else, presumed you were running stock. So, before, asking people to look at your specs before they comment, ensure they are easily verifiable.

According to your details, you're running it a 3.288. You'll have a faster FSB, and have faster DDR2 memory, so the SYSTEM, will be faster overall, but that is not what you asked.

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But just for fun , my processor is faster than yours isn't it? Overall?
The way I read it, you meant if the processor was overall faster, that is what you wrote. If you meant SYSTEM, then please phrase it more carefully next time. And put your overclocks in the rig specs like everybody else. I made all my comments based on the fact you were running stock.

And then, I didn't say anything about the overclocking abilities of the Northwood. In fact, if you read carefully what I wrote, I did speak of overclocking abilities on the Prescott.

For your information, the fastest P4 single core in existence is the 3.46 Ghz Extreme Edition Gallatin on the 775 platform, and not the Prescott 2M 3.73 Ghz Extreme Edition. So, yes, at stock, the Northwood and Galltins hold a performance advantage over the Prescotts. Overclocking is another matter. Even the 3.46 Ghz Gallatin on the 775 platform is still made on 130nm tech, it will not do wonders, unlike the Prescotts, and their long pipeline on 90nm / 65nm. So, yes the newer manufacturing tech and the long pipeline do make a difference (you never heard me saying the opposite did you ?), but that only respects to the overclocking potential, because if we are speaking architecturally, the Prescott was a mistake.

Now, on to your rant about your other CPU, the P4 505. You're probably still having a bottleneck because of the low FSB that CPU has. Even overclocked to 3.5 Ghz, it still only has a 700 mHz FSB, while your 520 has an 800 Mhz FSB at stock. What have you done to the RAM ? To run a CPU with a 700 Mhz FSB you probably are running it at 350 Mhz to stay in sync, right ? That also affects performance, while your P4 520 is running 400 Mhz DDR in sync. That also makes a difference in performance.

But what was the point you were trying to make ? The fact your P4 520 is faster than your overclocked P4 505 does not automatically translate that it is faster than the Northwood. In this specific case, your overclocked P4 520 might be faster than his (or mine) P4 3.4 Ghz Northwood, but that has nothing to do with P4 505 vs P4 520.
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Hmmm ? What ? You got me all wrong.

You asked if your CPU was better than his. At stock, which is what I was talking about, it isn't. Not by a long shot. A 2.8 Ghz Prescott is way behind a 3.4 Ghz Northwood. And it doesn't even matter if it has 1Mb of cache against 512kb of cache. The long pipeline on the Prescott cancels out the advantages, and it endures a severe performance hit every time the long pipeline has to be flushed.

Plus, I didn't notice you had overclocked you CPU. It's good practice on OCN to put the speed on your visible system specs, like everybody else does, and not only on the detailed section. I, most likely like everybody else, presumed you were running stock. So, before, asking people to look at your specs before they comment, ensure they are easily verifiable.

According to your details, you're running it a 3.288. You'll have a faster FSB, and have faster DDR2 memory, so the SYSTEM, will be faster overall, but that is not what you asked.



The way I read it, you meant if the processor was overall faster, that is what you wrote. If you meant SYSTEM, then please phrase it more carefully next time. And put your overclocks in the rig specs like everybody else. I made all my comments based on the fact you were running stock.

And then, I didn't say anything about the overclocking abilities of the Northwood. In fact, if you read carefully what I wrote, I did speak of overclocking abilities on the Prescott.

For your information, the fastest P4 single core in existence is the 3.46 Ghz Extreme Edition Gallatin on the 775 platform, and not the Prescott 2M 3.73 Ghz Extreme Edition. So, yes, at stock, the Northwood and Galltins hold a performance advantage over the Prescotts. Overclocking is another matter. Even the 3.46 Ghz Gallatin on the 775 platform is still made on 130nm tech, it will not do wonders, unlike the Prescotts, and their long pipeline on 90nm / 65nm. So, yes the newer manufacturing tech and the long pipeline do make a difference (you never heard me saying the opposite did you ?), but that only respects to the overclocking potential, because if we are speaking architecturally, the Prescott was a mistake.

Now, on to your rant about your other CPU, the P4 505. You're probably still having a bottleneck because of the low FSB that CPU has. Even overclocked to 3.5 Ghz, it still only has a 700 mHz FSB, while your 520 has an 800 Mhz FSB at stock. What have you done to the RAM ? To run a CPU with a 700 Mhz FSB you probably are running it at 350 Mhz to stay in sync, right ? That also affects performance, while your P4 520 is running 400 Mhz DDR in sync. That also makes a difference in performance.

But what was the point you were trying to make ? The fact your P4 520 is faster than your overclocked P4 505 does not automatically translate that it is faster than the Northwood. In this specific case, your overclocked P4 520 might be faster than his (or mine) P4 3.4 Ghz Northwood, but that has nothing to do with P4 505 vs P4 520.

First i dont care what others do. I Filled it appropriately. Its your job to check my system specs. I cant spoon feed you everything. I did check his before bickering. and that's why i asked him, not you.

I knew you would bring this pipeline topic ahead. Throw any synthetic benchmark, atleast i will pass it with more points than his Northwood setup. As i said 'Overall''. Its not my headache if you misinterpret words and their meanings. God gave us all brain.

Now all the history you just wrote, well i know it. I never said Prescott's were kings. Lol, i am not that naive. I was talking in general and also atleast in my country everyone used to love Prescott's even if they had long pipelines which never matter in real life. Plus compare the Price/performance. Here Prescott's win in my country.

And you are wrong about Gallatin. Sorry if you go check some killer overclockings, they will either be on Prescott's 2M or Cedar Mill based. No Northwood and Gallatin... Gallatin is just paper good.

And about what i told you about my other P4, that was just info/example. nothing fitting to this convo. So rant maybe to you, but its info to others.

In the end all i will say is you are blunt. You dont read properly before judging to conclusions and have guts to blame others. Never said that my stock will be comparable to his 3.4 HT. Even my OC'd isn't even comparable.
Edited by Gothiq - 5/23/11 at 9:30pm
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