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What happens when i will get my GTS 250? No more lowly peon then babe!
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can you stop that.

like some people say: respect the elders
Lol, ok i will respect cavemen
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Now then, where's my trusty club... There's an SB build here that needs a good whack
     
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i will go for my m4a1 cqbr 6mm bb and 300bb mag






Edited by blooder11181 - 5/31/11 at 4:19pm
     
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Lol, ok i will respect cavemen





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I'm still trying out various drivers, haven't lost hope yet. I figure the performance would be decent if only the drivers worked flawlessly.
Ugh, I hate "as-is" drivers. They barely work >.>
The only one's I've gotten to work with my HIS HD4650 so far have been the set on the included CD (couldn't begin to tell what version those are) and Cat 10.7. I've tried various versions of hotfix 11.4, always results in crash city. This is my first ATI card (not counting the X1650Pro my son stuck in my rig a while back temporarily when I was still using a GF2 MX400) I've stuck with Nvidia since the late 90's after the Savage3D failed to live up to the high expectations promised by S3.

Is it just my imagination, or is this GPU targeting the video audience over gamers. Has anyone compared this GPU to the 7800gs, as far as gaming performance goes, anyway?

Compared to a fast 6800GT, Nvidia wins out on single texture fillrates and of course bandwidth (256bit vs 128bit, and double ROP's) but the ATI pulls way ahead on multi texture, about triple the 6800GT's rate. Just what this has to do with anything I haven't a clue. I'm still trying to find a sweet spot between performance and quality of gameplay, something much harder than I'm used to given the lack of preset game profiles with ATI. And yes, I am aware its possible to create profiles, but I don't have that kind of time to devote to it. Also, I've been trying to use NWN2 to test with, and I keep reading reports of this game having a rep for bringing even modern rigs to their knees.

As a side note, I recently made 2 attempts to acquire a 7800gs, both of which showed up DOA, so I haven't been able to compare them myself.
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The only one's I've gotten to work with my HIS HD4650 so far have been the set on the included CD (couldn't begin to tell what version those are) and Cat 10.7. I've tried various versions of hotfix 11.4, always results in crash city. This is my first ATI card (not counting the X1650Pro my son stuck in my rig a while back temporarily when I was still using a GF2 MX400) I've stuck with Nvidia since the late 90's after the Savage3D failed to live up to the high expectations promised by S3.

Is it just my imagination, or is this GPU targeting the video audience over gamers. Has anyone compared this GPU to the 7800gs, as far as gaming performance goes, anyway?

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As a side note, I recently made 2 attempts to acquire a 7800gs, both of which showed up DOA, so I haven't been able to compare them myself.

As I stated in a previous post a few hours ago, you can install Catalyst 10.10 Hotfix driver (google it, it is available for download from Softpedia), but only install the driver and leave your current CCC as it is. The CCC in the 10.10 driver package keeps crashing (altough the driver keeps running normally).

As to the card's specs, it's not comparable to the 6800GT or 7800GS, it's way better. The specs you quote are not comparable. It's like the Radeon HD5770, it's much faster than a X1950 Pro, even tough the latter has a 256 bit memory bus. The ROP's and fill rates and whatnot are also not comparable for various reasons.

If you want to buy a Nvidia AGP card, you should be looking at the 7900GS, not the 7800GS. Or, if you can find one (but you'll have to tweak recent drivers to work with it, as this card was only released by one vendor and Nvidia did not officially approve it), you can try finding a 7950GT. That is the fastest AGP card available from the Nvidia camp.
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Ah, NWN2, gotta replay that one too. Played through it 2 times at horrible FPS. Time to have a quality experience at last

Some updates about the drivers: I can get various versions to work - 10.4, 10.7, 10.10, just to name a few. What bothers me is the lack of performance.
Funny thing is, I accidentally installed 10.x, (can't remember exactly which) drivers yesterday, that were intended for winxp 32bit... and even though I could not utilize the Aero effects, I received quite a bump in performance! The most primitive passmark 3d test normally gives me ~750-800 FPS. The winxp drivers bumped that up to 900 I'll definitely fiddle around with the drivers a bit more during the weekend... I might even install XP on a separate partition, just to check the compatibility and performance.

Another interesting fact: the F@H GPU2 client utilizes 100% of my CPU and 75-80% of my GPU. Bottleneck?
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As I stated in a previous post a few hours ago, you can install Catalyst 10.10 Hotfix driver (google it, it is available for download from Softpedia), but only install the driver and leave your current CCC as it is. The CCC in the 10.10 driver package keeps crashing (altough the driver keeps running normally).
Can I assume you found this to be the best combination, at least for your Gigabyte card?

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As to the card's specs, it's not comparable to the 6800GT or 7800GS, it's way better. The specs you quote are not comparable. It's like the Radeon HD5770, it's much faster than a X1950 Pro, even tough the latter has a 256 bit memory bus. The ROP's and fill rates and whatnot are also not comparable for various reasons.
Are you saying these spece are not relevant in comparing the two brands of cards? If so then that is exactly what I was wondering.

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My interest in Nvidia AGP cards is twofold. First, some of my older software won't run under anything newer than win9x, and a portion of those programs make lowlevel calls that make using VirtualWindows not possible, otherwise I would just get an uber X58/i7 rig. But that leads me to the second thing, I'm old and set in my ways, and don't like to update stuff until I've blown it up, or something cataclysmic occurs (like Atari Corp. going bankrupt and leaving me and dozens of other developers without a platform at a time when the PC was a piece of crap that couldn't keep up with the AtariST no matter how hard we tried to optimize our code). But I digress. In actuality, my 2nd interest in Nvidia cards is academically experimental, comparing performance between ATI and Nvidia's last AGP cards, especially given ATI is using different specs such as 'streams' (at least with the 4600 series) rather than the traditional pipelines both makers have used for performance ratings.
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Ah, NWN2, gotta replay that one too. Played through it 2 times at horrible FPS. Time to have a quality experience at last

Some updates about the drivers: I can get various versions to work - 10.4, 10.7, 10.10, just to name a few. What bothers me is the lack of performance.
Here's the steps I took with NWN2 graphics. First I set 3D standard settings to balenced (unchecked custom) in CCC. Next fire up NWN2 set for 1024x768 and select auto-dectect, save settings, then quit game and reload. From here its just a matter of trial and error, or maybe I should say give and take. Between the game's own graphics settings and CCC I was able to go all the way from exceptional graphics with crummy fps to the other extreme - crummy graphics but great fps/performance. Just keep playing with various settings until you find a balance you can live with. I also had to set my refresh rate to 70Hz to get a sharp picture, but that may be my cheapo monitor. Also I haven't reinstalled expansions yet, but supposedly the only one that makes a difference in performance/quality ratio is SoZ. Also make sure you patch fully to 1.231765.
Oh, and if you can, or haven't done so already, try to get your CPU speed up to 3.5 or even better 3.6GHz.
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