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I have a Pentium 4 630 Prescott OC'd to 3.6 GHz (stock is 3.0GHz) and its plenty stable and fast. i have it paired with an Nvidia 9500GT 512MB. My CPU stays around 56-58C idle and my GPU stays around 57-59C idle. Under load, my CPU probably gets to about 70C or so, and the same with my GPU. (although, occasionally, my gpu gets into the 90's. its kinda scary) and for the rest of my rig, check out the sig. For upgrades, (since i dont want to replace my mobo) i'm going for a Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz. its easy to overclock, and its the best value for the series. For GPU upgrade, I thought about getting a form of an Nvidia GTS 450, but i didnt think it would cut it for the things i want to do(like show off unigene heaven at 60 fps) so, i'm instead going to go for either a GTX 460 or a GTX 480. but that will be quite far down the road. I'm kinda broke right now. frown.gif

Hey, nice P4 rig smile.gif Still a good computer. I had a P4 @ 4GHz and it could play Crysis 2 at around 30 FPS
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I have a Pentium 4 630 Prescott OC'd to 3.6 GHz (stock is 3.0GHz) and its plenty stable and fast. i have it paired with an Nvidia 9500GT 512MB. My CPU stays around 56-58C idle and my GPU stays around 57-59C idle. Under load, my CPU probably gets to about 70C or so, and the same with my GPU. (although, occasionally, my gpu gets into the 90's. its kinda scary) and for the rest of my rig, check out the sig. For upgrades, (since i dont want to replace my mobo) i'm going for a Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz. its easy to overclock, and its the best value for the series. For GPU upgrade, I thought about getting a form of an Nvidia GTS 450, but i didnt think it would cut it for the things i want to do(like show off unigene heaven at 60 fps) so, i'm instead going to go for either a GTX 460 or a GTX 480. but that will be quite far down the road. I'm kinda broke right now.
Quite a nice rig and a decent upgrade plan Regarding the GPU, I thought about suggesting a used 4870x2, like the one I'm running, since it's a hell of a performer for a low price... But then you'd also be forced to change your PSU.
You'd also do well to add a couple additional gigs of RAM.
     
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E0 P4 HT Prescott 521 2.8Ghz OC to 4.52Ghz.

It's sitting in its HP Mobo i got with it, but i threw it in my G41 one day and damn these are Still good CPU's lol

Do you think my 521 could Burn up WoW, or should i stick with my Q6600?
 
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Welcome!
Awesome OC right there
I'm assuming you achieved that on your G41, right? I'd be baffled if you could reach that on an OEM mobo.
About WoW... Well, I don't know whether the minimum sys reqs have risen, but I have played WoW fairly decently on a 2.4/400/128 celeron, half a gig of DDR400 and a radeon 9550 a couple of years ago. Your P4 would perform heaps better than that, but, of course, the Q6600 would still trash it, no doubt about it.
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Welcome!
Awesome OC right there
I'm assuming you achieved that on your G41, right? I'd be baffled if you could reach that on an OEM mobo.
About WoW... Well, I don't know whether the minimum sys reqs have risen, but I have played WoW fairly decently on a 2.4/400/128 celeron, half a gig of DDR400 and a radeon 9550 a couple of years ago. Your P4 would perform heaps better than that, but, of course, the Q6600 would still trash it, no doubt about it.
Well i assume the sys reqs are the same...but i have been told 2 "cores" at 4.5Ghz will beat a Quad at 3.1Ghz anyday, cuz games mainly only use 2 cores so the Higher OC would help a lot...Correct? lol
 
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Well i assume the sys reqs are the same...but i have been told 2 "cores" at 4.5Ghz will beat a Quad at 3.1Ghz anyday, cuz games mainly only use 2 cores so the Higher OC would help a lot...Correct? lol
Erm, FYI, your P4 521 pressie is a single core CPU HT doesn't count as a core.
Even if it were a dual core, though, it would still lose to the q6600 because of the terri-bad Netburst architecture. Frequency isn't all that matters. Architecture has a huge impact too. If, let's say, this was the eternal dispute whether to choose the e8400 or the q6600, I wouldn't be so sure, but now I can tell you with confidence: your unicore pentium has NOTHING on your quad.
     
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Very true Hyoketsu. Wasn't Northwood and Presscot actually slower, clock for clock, than a Pentium III? They were heavily pipelined to allow for crazy clock speeds like 3.6 or 4GHz so they made up for it with clock speed. Meanwhile the Pentium III never got above 1.1GHz
     
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Very true Hyoketsu. Wasn't Northwood and Presscot actually slower, clock for clock, than a Pentium III? They were heavily pipelined to allow for crazy clock speeds like 3.6 or 4GHz so they made up for it with clock speed. Meanwhile the Pentium III never got above 1.1GHz

The consumer version never got above 1133 Mhz, but they also made the workstation and server oriented Pentium III-S (Tualatin), which had 512Kb of L2 cache and clockspeeds up to 1.4 Ghz. What held the Pentium III-S's performance was the slow 133 Mhz FSB. But even then, it was generally faster than Pentium 4's Willamette implementation (but then again, Willamette only had 256kb of L2 cache, and was built on 180nm technology, while Tualatin PIII-S had 512KB of L2 cache and was built on 130nm technology).

It's a bit difficult to make a comparison on clock for clock basis because the P3's FSB was much slower, and then when DDR support arrived for the Pentium 4, along with the better Northwood, the performance gap widened.

It's hard to make a comparison when not all things are equal. Oh, and the P4 brought SS2 support with it, so many operations that take advantage of it will be much faster. Of course, at launch that was irrelevant, but you can make the same argument about the PIII's SSE against the PII's lack thereof.

And then Hyperthreading arrived, which made the Northwood even more efficient. And the Prescott also has two tricks up it's sleeve: better Hyperthreading and SSE3 instructions.

I'd say, yes, from an architectural point of view, clock for clock, if everything else was equal, the Pentium 3 would be faster, but then again it wasn't designed to run at high clockspeeds, which in itself could be seen as a limitation in future upgrades at that time. Intel thought that the Pentium III was well suited to the laptop segment, where performance was generally slower than on a desktop (still is), and decided to invest in the Pentium 4's ability to scale it's clockspeed more easily to gain performance. And to a certain extent, they managed something that hasn't yet been surpassed: a CPU architecture that at it's slowest runs at 1.3 Ghz, and at it's fastest runs at 3.8 Ghz.

In the end, they took the lessons learned from the Pentium 4 days, and mixed some elements with the Pentium III, which evolved into the Pentium III-S, which led to the Pentium 3M, which itself led to the Pentium M and eventually the Core, all into what became the Core 2 architecture.
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And to a certain extent, they managed something that hasn't yet been surpassed: a CPU architecture that at it's slowest runs at 1.3 Ghz, and at it's fastest runs at 3.8 Ghz.
You mean like my Sandy Bridge that runs at 1.6GHz and then rams up to 4.4GHz under load?

Yes it was an interesting evolution at Intel during those years. In my opinion the P4 was a disappointing architecture that for the first time let AMD beat it in many consumer performance categories with its Athlon. I always wondered if it was more of a marketing decision to push the envelopes of clock speed rather than make a truly good processor. Intel regroups and corrected things with Pentium M/Core/Core2. When Core 2 came out as a consumer processor it had significantly lower clock speed than P4, yet performed better than P4 (or anything AMD could produce) by a large margin and also significantly reduced power consumption. Now that is what I call a great design.
     
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Erm, FYI, your P4 521 pressie is a single core CPU HT doesn't count as a core.
Even if it were a dual core, though, it would still lose to the q6600 because of the terri-bad Netburst architecture. Frequency isn't all that matters. Architecture has a huge impact too. If, let's say, this was the eternal dispute whether to choose the e8400 or the q6600, I wouldn't be so sure, but now I can tell you with confidence: your unicore pentium has NOTHING on your quad.
thats why i said "cores" hence the "" lol

Well i just learned something....from the people who posted after you..

Hey is the Celeron D 352 better or worse than my P4 521?
 
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