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I've been studying that precise GPU matter yesterday and arrived at the conclusion that that card is not very good.

The HD3650 only catches the HD2600XT when the core is overclocked from the stock 725-750Mhz to 900Mhz, and even then the HD2600XT wins in games like Crysis at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 (only loses at 800x600).

The HD3650 wins in the HQV video quality tests with a 90 points score against 75 for the HD2600XT, but that difference shouldn't make much of a difference.

That leaves 4 cards to consider:

- X1950 Pro (preferrably the 512MB GDDR3 version)
- HD2600XT (preferrably the 512MB GDDR4 version)
- HD3850 (preferrably the 512MB GDDR3 version)
- HD4650 512MB DDR2

There is also the HD4670, but that is way too expensive.

The HD4650 is slower than the HD3850, but has the ability to accelerate HD flash video content (although I'm not sure the AGP hotfix drivers support this feature).

If you consider gaming, the HD3850 seems like the best option; it even has a 256-bit bus. The X1950 Pro and the HD2600XT can hold up to the HD3850 for the most part (CPU bottleneck), but fall in higher resolutions.


This is an interesting read: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-agp-3850-agp,1939.html

They tested the HD3850 AGP + X1950Pro + HD2600XT in a single core Athlon 3400+, which should be a good indicator of performance for the 3.4 Northwood.

The Athlon might be a bit faster, but then again, they had to put up a test system than was comprised of many different RAM sticks, but ran at the lower speed one, which was 333Mhz. And then they used Windows Vista.

Given we will be using 400Mhz DDR and Windows XP, that should give us if not a lead, at least make us even with the Athlon.

Indeed, the 3850 looks like a better choice, but it is quite scarce in my area. I had hoped I'd be able to find a cheap used GPU without having to resort to ebay, but looks like that won't be happening. Anyway, ~60-70 bucks for a used HD3850 looks fairly decent. Guess I'll have to get one after another odd job or two. Oh, and ram. Gotta get another 1gb stick.
When I think about it, I'm wasting money on a system that's been obsolete for several years now... But damn me if it ain't fun making old systems squeal, figuratively speaking ^^

Right, one more thing, could you link the auction you bought your nortwood from? There are several of those up @38$ a piece. If we're going to compete, let's go with the same CPU source as well, if possible smile.gif

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A Netburst Celeron ? Oh yeah, those were very limited because of the small amount of L2 cache. 128kb, right ?

Aye, 2,4GHz/128kB/400FSB. Horrible, HORRIBLE piece of cow turd.
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You can always give the manual and sticker to your cousin. He already has the processor hehehe..
Manual? Yes. Sticker? HELL NO. I'm a sucker for stickers biggrin.gif
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Here is an interesting comparison.

Not a clear winner out of these three. Still haven't counted which wins globally, but I bet it won't be by much.
 
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Indeed, the 3850 looks like a better choice, but it is quite scarce in my area. I had hoped I'd be able to find a cheap used GPU without having to resort to ebay, but looks like that won't be happening. Anyway, ~60-70 bucks for a used HD3850 looks fairly decent. Guess I'll have to get one after another odd job or two. Oh, and ram. Gotta get another 1gb stick.
When I think about it, I'm wasting money on a system that's been obsolete for several years now... But damn me if it ain't fun making old systems squeal, figuratively speaking ^^

Right, one more thing, could you link the auction you bought your nortwood from? There are several of those up @38$ a piece. If we're going to compete, let's go with the same CPU source as well, if possible

I've been looking at RAM too. DDR is expensive these days... in the past weeks DDR3 prices came down, and surprisingly, so did DDR2. DDR however is getting outdated by now.. guess prices won't come down anymore.

I guess this is one area where ebay might come in handy too.

I'm currently using 1.5GB of ram. Had the 512MB stick in the other system, but since it's not being used, I added it to my 1GB.

As to the link, I'm going to send you a PM right away. I think the forum rules don't allow to post ebay links in here.
 
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Here is an interesting comparison.

Not a clear winner out of these three. Still haven't counted which wins globally, but I bet it won't be by much.
I know jack about AMD CPUs, but I'm guessing the good ol' Gallatin powerhorse would blow all three away, athlon included
Anyway, judging from this chart, I'd say the athlon wins at gaming, the northwood wins at encoding and some synthetic benchmarks, whereas the prescott wins a few benches by a hair and pretty much nothing else, really An interesting read.

What concerns RAM, I initially had 2x256, but got a 1GB stick later. Now running @1280MB total. I actually managed to get hold of a guy, who had a 1GB stick for sale, which was practically identical to mine. However, that was a couple of months ago, but he said he wasn't in a hurry. Hopefully, he still has it. If that's the case, I'll have 2 gigs total in a couple of days.

Alrighto, a clear overview of my system and planned upgrades:
CPU: 3,4GHz NW - ordering tomorrow. (ME WANTZ GALLATIN!)
RAM: 2x1GB DDR400 RAM - in a couple of days, hopefully. (DDR500 would be sooo sweet~ )
GPU: Radeon HD3850 - whenever I have cash to waste.
HDD: Fine as is.
ODD: Gotta get a new DVD-RW drive.
PSU: Just bought this one.
Mobo: provides basic functionality, but lacks voltage control, RAID support, dual channel support and only has 2 DIMM slots. Would be great to get a new one, but that'd change the core of the PC >.>
Cooling: satisfactory. A scythe katana 3 would look good, but would also be a waste of money with the current temps.
Case: planning on modding it this summer since the current state is pretty pathetic.Front panel = held in place by gaffer tape The result of raging at the crappy celeron and whacking the case (while being an ignorant fool and not even knowing it's the CPU's fault ).

That concludes my plans for the moment. If you have any suggestions, go ahead.

What's your current configuration and what are your plans for future upgrades?


P.S. Thanks for the link.
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When I think about it, I'm wasting money on a system that's been obsolete for several years now... But damn me if it ain't fun making old systems squeal, figuratively speaking ^^

Yes, it is fun! A year ago it would seem silly, but now the P4's are getting into the vintage area - but still surprisingly useful - and suddenly it seems like it's worth it. Besides I want to see if it's possible to get Crysis running on Medium settings LOL. It's a nice challenge

On the other hand, I'm trying to make a P4 silent system - and not figuratively speaking LOLOL

Ever since I had P4 systems they were all noisy. I just bought the Scythe Katana 3, and the fan is clearly audible (no PWM on the Motherboard so the fan spins at the Max 2600rpm), but at least it's not annoying as the Thermaltake heatsink fan at the same speed, and does a much better cooling job. The good thing is it has a normal system case fan that is easily replaceable. I will buy one exactly the same as the back exhaust fan I bought. 2000rpm and super quiet
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I know jack about AMD CPUs, but I'm guessing the good ol' Gallatin powerhorse would blow all three away, athlon included
Anyway, judging from this chart, I'd say the athlon wins at gaming, the northwood wins at encoding and some synthetic benchmarks, whereas the prescott wins a few benches by a hair and pretty much nothing else, really An interesting read.


P.S. Thanks for the link.
You're welcome.

Actually and surprisingly the Northwood wins some gaming tests.

But more surprisingly (actually not) is that the Gallatin does not always win over the Northwood (and doesn't win over the Athlon). In fact it actually loses quite a few benchmarks. The L3 cache adds latency.

But it does give it the edge over the Northwood in gaming.

I forgot to add the Gallatin in the last comparison: Here it is.
 
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You're welcome.

Actually and surprisingly the Northwood wins some gaming tests.

But more surprisingly (actually not) is that the Gallatin does not always win over the Northwood (and doesn't win over the Athlon). In fact it actually loses quite a few benchmarks. The L3 cache adds latency.

But it does give it the edge over the Northwood in gaming.

I forgot to add the Gallatin in the last comparison: Here it is.
Huh. I expected a landslide victory. Looks like that ain't the case. Still, it delivers where it counts and I'd still choose it over any of the three in a heartbeat. Besides, if I remember correctly, it's the most overclock-friendly.
By the way, scroll up, I edited my post some more. Scrupulous posting for the win!
     
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I am currently running a Pentium (R) 4 at 3.00GHZ. It is my main computer as I am upgrading to a sandy bridge whenever the mobos are released. I was able to play sims 3 and dragon age on it last year but no games this year.
    
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I am currently running a Pentium (R) 4 at 3.00GHZ. It is my main computer as I am upgrading to a sandy bridge whenever the mobos are released. I was able to play sims 3 and dragon age on it last year but no games this year.
Dragon age, huh? Nice. I also played Sims 3 on my machine a bit, but the loads were long and the visual performance was quite poor even on low settings. What are your other system specs?
     
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Seagate 120gb ide 7200rpm superdrive mac osx 10.4.11 PRO KEYBOARD 
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powermac g4 quicksilver series ONBOARD 
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