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Get a 800FSB p4 asap. Here's the support list for your mobo:http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=P4VT8%2b
Your celly not only fails on fully utilizing your mobo, but it also caps your ram performance. By switching to a 2,6GHz/800fsb/512kB northwood alone you would gain ~35-40% in overall system performance. I'm talking from experience here. By switching from a 2,4 celeron to my current p4 I gained a 40% increase. After OCing, it went up to 70%. That's according to synthetic benchmarks, of course, but those results are obvious in real apps/games too.
Anyway...
Your mobo has 3 DIMM slots and RAID support, that's nice. If only you had triple channel support and voltage control, that'd be all you'd ever need from a s478 mobo.
...
Okay, some s478 mobos support 4GB ram (4 DIMM slots & dual channel), THAT would be all you'd ever need still it's way better than mine.
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My old computer, P4 1.8 GHz, socket 478. Was my experiment in Linux after that, now it's sitting around doing nothing. Maybe make it an HTPC?
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Huh. I expected a landslide victory. Looks like that ain't the case. Still, it delivers where it counts and I'd still choose it over any of the three in a heartbeat. Besides, if I remember correctly, it's the most overclock-friendly.
By the way, scroll up, I edited my post some more. Scrupulous posting for the win!

The Gallatin is way too overpriced in the second-hand market. For the price of a 3.4 Gallatin ($ 200) you could buy 5 3.4 Northwoods, or for the price of a 3.2 Gallatin you could buy 2 3.4 Northwoods (actually I 've never seen such an affordable one on ebay.com - $87.50 buy it now).

For $200 you can buy a Sandy bridge CPU LOLOL I guess 3.4 Northwood is the sweet spot in price/performance/power consumption.

Ther reason the EE overclocks better is because it has 30 caps on the underside, just like my 3 Ghz (you can look the photo I put in a previous post). That helps keep the voltage more stable. Normal Northwoods carry much less. The 2.8, 800FSB, HT Northwood I've got only has 12 caps.


I read your update to the previous post

Your plans look good!

I also have a few plans

- right now I'm going to clone the 120GB HDD to the 320GB HDD; that should give it some performance boost;

- possibly get a 1GB DDR 400 stick from ebay if the price is right;

- I need a new case; the one I have is white (2001-2002 style), does not have frontal USB ports, and is a nightmare to work on because it is too small. It's tall, but not very wide, and it does not have much depth. And the side panel does not have side vents. Oh, and it's heavy! It's made out of good materials, but heavy!

- I' considering buying a new PSU for it. I have a reliable 400w PSU, but it's not recent nor does it have 80plus eficiency (and the model that came after it, with improved specs, didn't either, so mine may not be quite up to the task to drive the 3.4 Ghz P4 plus a new GPU;

- A new motherboard, base on the 865 Chipset or even the top of the line 875 would be awsome; Dual Channel DDR 400 would be great, and these mobos also allow for 4GB of RAM for future expansion. But I guess that is out of the question for now, unless some very good deal comes up

- A better GPU. That is my current search. I almost won an auction today for a X1950 Pro 512MB GDDR3, but eventually the bids went to a certain level where I could just buy a brand new HD4650 for a little more money and get the 2 year warranty, so I quit bidding on it.
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Pentium D 925
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You don't need to spend money on a heater for winter.

It's still good for a nice, cozy HTPC for the winter hehehe
 
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Get a 800FSB p4 asap. Here's the support list for your mobo:http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=P4VT8%2b
Your celly not only fails on fully utilizing your mobo, but it also caps your ram performance. By switching to a 2,6GHz/800fsb/512kB northwood alone you would gain ~35-40% in overall system performance. I'm talking from experience here. By switching from a 2,4 celeron to my current p4 I gained a 40% increase. After OCing, it went up to 70%. That's according to synthetic benchmarks, of course, but those results are obvious in real apps/games too.
Anyway...
Your mobo has 3 DIMM slots and RAID support, that's nice. If only you had triple channel support and voltage control, that'd be all you'd ever need from a s478 mobo.
...
Okay, some s478 mobos support 4GB ram (4 DIMM slots & dual channel), THAT would be all you'd ever need still it's way better than mine.
i have p4 2.66ghz 512kb 533
i will oc this cely and run games after that is time for p4
     
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its rare to to find northwood 800 fsb
i can only find prescott
and this mobo is allergic to Prescott
Edited by blooder11181 - 2/27/11 at 5:25pm
     
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The Gallatin is way too overpriced in the second-hand market. For the price of a 3.4 Gallatin ($ 200) you could buy 5 3.4 Northwoods, or for the price of a 3.2 Gallatin you could buy 2 3.4 Northwoods (actually I 've never seen such an affordable one on ebay.com - $87.50 buy it now).

For $200 you can buy a Sandy bridge CPU LOLOL I guess 3.4 Northwood is the sweet spot in price/performance/power consumption.

Ther reason the EE overclocks better is because it has 30 caps on the underside, just like my 3 Ghz (you can look the photo I put in a previous post). That helps keep the voltage more stable. Normal Northwoods carry much less. The 2.8, 800FSB, HT Northwood I've got only has 12 caps.


I read your update to the previous post

Your plans look good!

I also have a few plans

- right now I'm going to clone the 120GB HDD to the 320GB HDD; that should give it some performance boost;

- possibly get a 1GB DDR 400 stick from ebay if the price is right;

- I need a new case; the one I have is white (2001-2002 style), does not have frontal USB ports, and is a nightmare to work on because it is too small. It's tall, but not very wide, and it does not have much depth. And the side panel does not have side vents. Oh, and it's heavy! It's made out of good materials, but heavy!

- I' considering buying a new PSU for it. I have a reliable 400w PSU, but it's not recent nor does it have 80plus eficiency (and the model that came after it, with improved specs, didn't either, so mine may not be quite up to the task to drive the 3.4 Ghz P4 plus a new GPU;

- A new motherboard, base on the 865 Chipset or even the top of the line 875 would be awsome; Dual Channel DDR 400 would be great, and these mobos also allow for 4GB of RAM for future expansion. But I guess that is out of the question for now, unless some very good deal comes up

- A better GPU. That is my current search. I almost won an auction today for a X1950 Pro 512MB GDDR3, but eventually the bids went to a certain level where I could just buy a brand new HD4650 for a little more money and get the 2 year warranty, so I quit bidding on it.
Indeed, the main drawback of the gallatins is that they're rare and friggin' expensive. No surprise, though - AFAIK they used to cost $1k+ back in the day.
I just found an awesome thing on ebay: a BRAND NEW 3,4ghz s478 northwood Retail packaging, heatsink&fan included. How awesome is that? If it were an EE, I'd call it "Collector's Edition"
Anyway, your plans look good too, i wonder how they'll unfold.

Also, regarding the "vintage" comment... You're completely right. I'd also add that only the s478 P4s are really respectable, 'cause... Come on. They're the top of the line in their category. LGA775 P4s are simply outdated relics without no real purpose. While you can't go higher than a 3,4GHz P4 on a s478 board and can proudly say "I've maxed out the limits of my PC with this Pentium 4", there's no point in putting a p4 in an LGA775 board - it'll either be a c2d or a c2q. P4 in a 775 board = being wasteful.
Of course, that's my personal bias. No offense, lga775 p4/pd owners

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i have p4 2.66ghz 512kb 533
i will oc this cely and run games after that is time for p4
It'll still cap your ram, but... well... it's still better than your celly.

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its rare to to find northwood 800 fsb
i can only find prescott
and this mobo is allergic to Prescott
How come? eBay is full of fsb800 P4s, all kinds of 'em. I just found a 2,8/800/512 northwood for 8 bucks, for example. Furthermore, prescotts are included in the list of you mobo's supported CPUs. Everything should work fine... Unless your BIOS is ancient, in which case simply download the up-to-date version; you'll find it in the "download" section of the link I posted earlier.
Edited by Hyoketsu - 2/27/11 at 5:49pm
     
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Indeed, the main drawback of the gallatins is that they're rare and friggin' expensive. No surprise, though - AFAIK they used to cost $1k+ back in the day.
I just found an awesome thing on ebay: a BRAND NEW 3,4ghz s478 northwood Retail packaging, heatsink&fan included. How awesome is that? If it were an EE, I'd call it "Collector's Edition"
Anyway, your plans look good too, i wonder how they'll unfold.

Also, regarding the "vintage" comment... You're completely right. I'd also add that only the s478 P4s are really respectable, 'cause... Come on. They're the top of the line in their category. LGA775 P4s are simply outdated relics without no real purpose. While you can't go higher than a 3,4GHz P4 on a s478 board and can proudly say "I've maxed out the limits of my PC with this Pentium 4", there's no point in putting a p4 in an LGA775 board - it'll either be a c2d or a c2q. P4 in a 775 board = being wasteful.
Of course, that's my personal bias. No offense, lga775 p4/pd owners



It'll still cap your ram, but... well... it's still better than your celly.



How come? eBay is full of fsb800 P4s, all kinds of 'em. I just found a 2,8/800/512 northwood for 8 bucks, for example. Furthermore, prescotts are included in the list of you mobo's supported CPUs. Everything should work fine... Unless your BIOS is ancient, in which case simply download the up-to-date version; you'll find it in the "download" section of the link I posted earlier.
its update a long time ago and i tried using good psu but no go
     
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Well, in any case, you should have no problem getting a decent northwood.

I just ordered a 3,4ghz NW. The only thing left to do now is wait~
     
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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 EVO 120GB Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Lite-On iHAS122 CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit Acer X243H 24" Microsoft SideWinder x4 Chieftec BPS-650C 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Aerocool X-Warrior Black Edition Steelseries Kana Skyrim-pad Asus Xonar DG 
AudioOther
Creative Inspire T3100 PS3 controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 4 HT Northwood 3.4 @ 3.5GHz ASRock P4i48 Club3D Radeon HD4670 AGP 1GB 2x1GB PQI DDR400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
SAMSUNG HD320LJ 320GB SATA Lite-On iHAS122 Scythe Katana 3 Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster 795mb 17" Microsoft Internet Keyboard Gigabyte GE-R460-V1 460W Caseless 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech RX1000 Generic black mouse pad Onboard Creative Inspire T3100 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
QX6850 E0 3.60GHz @1.45v Asus P5Q Pro Turbo Gigabyte R6870 OC 2x2GB G.Skill DDR2-1066, 5-5-5-15 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 EVO 120GB Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Lite-On iHAS122 CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit Acer X243H 24" Microsoft SideWinder x4 Chieftec BPS-650C 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Aerocool X-Warrior Black Edition Steelseries Kana Skyrim-pad Asus Xonar DG 
AudioOther
Creative Inspire T3100 PS3 controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 4 HT Northwood 3.4 @ 3.5GHz ASRock P4i48 Club3D Radeon HD4670 AGP 1GB 2x1GB PQI DDR400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
SAMSUNG HD320LJ 320GB SATA Lite-On iHAS122 Scythe Katana 3 Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster 795mb 17" Microsoft Internet Keyboard Gigabyte GE-R460-V1 460W Caseless 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech RX1000 Generic black mouse pad Onboard Creative Inspire T3100 
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