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The common new user will often ask "Why learn?". Gaming is more than enough reason to answer the way I did. You can't only think of the enthusiastic learner. Everything that I wanted to install in Ubuntu, I did. I forced my way through and made it work. But therein lies the problem. I had to make it work. Linux has a long way to go before I'd call it a good modern OS. At this point, andriod or iOS is a far better alternative. The apps are quite easily installed and the games are plenty, even if they're not mainstream, cutting edge games.
You do understand that linux isn't ment to hold you hand so that you don't get confused while using it right.

How does android or iOS have anything to do with linux. Comparing computer OS and phone OS.

Linux acts the way it does because that is the way it is made, not because it is under developed. you obviously never ran into RPM files, which act exactly like an exe file, they are automated installers for programs under ubuntu.

It is clear that you don't want to have to think so use your OS, you just want it to work, which is what windows is for. It just works behind the scenes so you don't have to. some people like to control everything that is happening, which linux lets you do.

Nothing wrong with not wanting to think about your OS, just a different type of user.
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Getting a basic understanding of Linux will just give you more knowledge. That knowledge could then be transferred over to Windows and Mac OSX in terms of being more open to experiment with the OS, and more willing to explore features and set up your computer more efficiently.
     
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I'd say other than this... there really isn't any real reason to learn. I gave it a go about 6 months ago with ubuntu. I can say that I'm probly a basic user. Certainly not advanced or anything. But during my time with Ubunutu, I simply ran into wall after wall after wall. Installing downloaded programs can be a real pain in the rump. Unlike with windows, where everything is some .exe that practically installs itself. It can be frustrating.

But you know, if linux would just get away from the constant use of the command line, and the difficult to install downloadable stuff, I'd have no problem using them on a laptop or something.
You do realize there are people who actually like using command line, right? I can't live without my batch files and shell scripts.

As for programs, I actually find the package manager to be more user-friendly than the Windows method of having to Google for a specific software. Granted, if you want something up to date, you usually have to compile from source. The only complaint I have against Linux is driver support (or lack thereof).
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Of course this is purely ignorant, but why learn Linux?
Is it something that could be possible for in a career for software development or hardware? Is it just for having fun learning another OS? Would it be beneficial for me to learn since I am aiming for a career in CCIE and CISSP certifications or anything Oracle database?

Please enlighten me as I have an interest in Linux.
i think the proper question should be, why not learn it?

linux is everywhere now days, its often hidden from plain site, but ignorance of it is no excuse not to know it



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I'd say other than this... there really isn't any real reason to learn. I gave it a go about 6 months ago with ubuntu. I can say that I'm probly a basic user. Certainly not advanced or anything. But during my time with Ubunutu, I simply ran into wall after wall after wall. Installing downloaded programs can be a real pain in the rump. Unlike with windows, where everything is some .exe that practically installs itself. It can be frustrating. And you'd better enjoy 1980's style command line usage. And don't ever expect to do any modern gaming. Or any real gaming. Sure there are some bad adaptations (like wine) but the performance sucks and you can't even enable AA.

But you know, if linux would just get away from the constant use of the command line, and the difficult to install downloadable stuff, I'd have no problem using them on a laptop or something.
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The common new user will often ask "Why learn?". Gaming is more than enough reason to answer the way I did. You can't only think of the enthusiastic learner. Everything that I wanted to install in Ubuntu, I did. I forced my way through and made it work. But therein lies the problem. I had to make it work. Linux has a long way to go before I'd call it a good modern OS. At this point, andriod or iOS is a far better alternative. The apps are quite easily installed and the games are plenty, even if they're not mainstream, cutting edge games.
i think we've beat this dead horse long enough about linux gaming, it is possible to run modern games in linux well, it just takes a bit of work, but most people who would be able to do this effectively, aren't the ones who use their computers to game, so it is a moot point at best.

wine is a api implementation for linux, so it can run some windows applications, like most "wine" it gets better with age, it is not perfect and shouldn't be relied on it, if anything, it should be avoided till you understand linux itself.

i think the biggest problem most have when go into linux, they've come to "expect" windows like workings.

in all reality, linux isn't for everyone, and that is one thing most linux users forget.

some people can make the transition easily, others have a world of problems.

take it for what it is.
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If you go into Linux expecting it to be Windows, you are bound to fail. Simple as that.
    
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Never expected it to be windows. You guys are all thinking the typically wrong thing every time this argument comes up; that the person arguing against linux (for the typical user) is just a would be convert who wanted it to be like what I was used to. I still use Ubuntu to this day because I don't want to pay the very high price for M$ office. And now, I've become very fluent with openoffice so that's all I want to use. (I realize you can get it for windows but I'm used to it for linux so that's what I like)

I dare say that I gave linux its fair shake, I'm stronger than just a basic user with the command line and I can pretty much install what I want. Might have to look something up, but I'm fairly confident that I can get it done. I'm saying that like consoles (Xbox,PS,Nintendo) linux has its place. And like consoles, it doesn't do so well, out of its place. I don't care who's fault it is, the driver support isn't there. Just like Mac of the old days... who cares why something is lacking. (referring to the support problems they used to have) All that matters in the real world is that it is lacking. (driver support)

And as for the gaming, not everyone has a powerful enough rig to suck up the performance loss. So that reason stands. Just right off the top of my head... go try to enable AA in Dungeons and Dragons Online and get back to me with how well that worked. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the challenge. But when people say "Linux isn't for everyone" what they really should be saying is "Linux isn't for most people."
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Never expected it to be windows. You guys are all thinking the typically wrong thing every time this argument comes up; that the person arguing against linux (for the typical user) is just a would be convert who wanted it to be like what I was used to. I still use Ubuntu to this day because I don't want to pay the very high price for M$ office. And now, I've become very fluent with openoffice so that's all I want to use. (I realize you can get it for windows but I'm used to it for linux so that's what I like)

I dare say that I gave linux its fair shake, I'm stronger than just a basic user with the command line and I can pretty much install what I want. Might have to look something up, but I'm fairly confident that I can get it done. I'm saying that like consoles (Xbox,PS,Nintendo) linux has its place. And like consoles, it doesn't do so well, out of its place. I don't care who's fault it is, the driver support isn't there. Just like Mac of the old days... who cares why something is lacking. (referring to the support problems they used to have) All that matters in the real world is that it is lacking. (driver support)

And as for the gaming, not everyone has a powerful enough rig to suck up the performance loss. So that reason stands. Just right off the top of my head... go try to enable AA in Dungeons and Dragons Online and get back to me with how well that worked. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the challenge. But when people say "Linux isn't for everyone" what they really should be saying is "Linux isn't for most people."
i would honestly dare to say that 95% of all people who own computers shouldn't, but it doesn't make me right in my assesment of the situation, just as it is your assesment of linux, you had a bad experience with ubuntu, that is unfortunate.

there is a fine line of "trying" linux and "using" linux.

i grew tired of "using" windows, with all of its percieved downfallings, that is the main reason i went to linux in the first place, where i've actually have thrived.

to some people it is just a to hard of concept to graps, you even see it in the linux community, where people go from ubuntu to say like arch linux or slackware, or gentoo, just ask TFB his experience with arch linux so far, coming from a grand supporter and using of ubuntu for a long time, i wouldn't say he has had a difficult time with arch, but i would say the number of "help" threads he's posted has gone ten fold from his days when using ubuntu.

i dont have a powerful rig when it comes to gaming, i have a 8800gt, a good cpu and a decent amount of ram, and i don't find it hard to live with the cost to run a game in wine vs running it on windows 7, as i have both installed and i've done test on both using more recent games like fallout3 and fallout new vegas, they run about the same at the same settings in either windows or linux.

i know those aren't the "hardcore" games that people expect to see stats on when it comes to linux and fallout3 is what 2 years old now and new vegas is six months old, but those are the games i've chosen to play and those are the ones i have concrete stats on.

as for other games in linux, i've had great deal of success running games on the linux platform, the only game i've never been able to get to run properly has been age of empires 2 believe it or not LOL, even at its current age, i guess there are just somethings wine can not produce from windows 98.
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And as for the gaming, not everyone has a powerful enough rig to suck up the performance loss. So that reason stands. Just right off the top of my head... go try to enable AA in Dungeons and Dragons Online and get back to me with how well that worked. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the challenge. But when people say "Linux isn't for everyone" what they really should be saying is "Linux isn't for most people."
I don't have any data to back this up but I think most PC users do not play games at all. At least not the kind discussed here. According to Google the only app the majority of PC users use and need now is just a web browser - hence their Chrome OS design.
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just ask TFB his experience with arch linux so far, coming from a grand supporter and using of ubuntu for a long time, i wouldn't say he has had a difficult time with arch, but i would say the number of "help" threads he's posted has gone ten fold from his days when using ubuntu.
BAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, you're pretty much right.
    
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