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Originally Posted by Bennylava View Post
The world doesn't seem to "suck" for all the windows users that don't have 50K versions of windows out there that have things proprietary to that one "distro".
Windows
http://www.cknow.com/cms/vtutor/number-of-viruses.html

Linux:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

So, you were saying?

Linux isn't for you. We get that. But you can stop pulling 'facts' from your ass any day now.

Both OSes have benefits and weaknesses. Linux is more secure, has package management, is customizable, lightweight, and will run on practically anything.

Windows is bloated, insecure without lockdown progs [AV], relies on individual packages to unpack themselves, isn't customizable to any extent in comparison, and is restricted to x86 and related hardware [with the possible exception of WMo]. Not to mention the registry is a nightmare. The advantage Windows has is the commercial support from MS and from hardware / software devs.

PS:
Next time you're holding an android based device, open the terminal emulator and type "uname" and tell me what it says..... I'll give you a hint:

Code:
$ uname
Linux
post #52 of 117
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Originally Posted by Bluescreen_Of_Death View Post
Windows
http://www.cknow.com/cms/vtutor/number-of-viruses.html

Linux:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

So, you were saying?

Linux isn't for you. We get that. But you can stop pulling 'facts' from your ass any day now.

Both OSes have benefits and weaknesses. Linux is more secure, has package management, is customizable, lightweight, and will run on practically anything.

Windows is bloated, insecure without lockdown progs [AV], relies on individual packages to unpack themselves, isn't customizable to any extent in comparison, and is restricted to x86 and related hardware [with the possible exception of WMo]. Not to mention the registry is a nightmare. The advantage Windows has is the commercial support from MS and from hardware / software devs.

Code:
$ uname
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Windows is bloated : Opinion
Insecure : Yea for the most part.
Isn't customizable : Actually it is
Restricted to x86 : Not for long
Registry is a nightmare : It's actually a thoughtful design but the registry hate goes back to the Windows 98 days. It just doesn't work in it's application. I agree though it needs to be removed.
    
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Windows is bloated : Opinion
My fresh Win7 install: 20-40 gigs [I think it was closer to 20]
Fresh arch install [GUI and basic programs included] 5-7GB.

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Isn't customizable : Actually it is
What I said:
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isn't customizable to any extent in comparison
Can you hot swap GUI's on windows? Can you add a second taskbar?

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Restricted to x86 : Not for long
Really? [honest question]
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Registry is a nightmare : It's actually a thoughtful design but the registry hate goes back to the Windows 98 days. It just doesn't work in it's application. I agree though it needs to be removed.
It's a nice idea, but centralized configuration is never a good idea without backups. "Never put all your eggs in one basket"
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I have a greater understanding of computers now that I use Linux full time. I'm not saying you can't learn the same stuff using Windows, but Linux forces you to learn more.
This!!

Windows makes things easy. Linux is much more dynamic but you have to educate yourself about how to get the most out of it.
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Well, it will certainly give you a brilliant insight into the workings of:
Operating systems
Computing in general
coding - if you want to go down that road.
networking
looking like a smug-git when all that bonkers text is rolling up the screen upon executing ./configure, or, make && make compile <---just for giggles!
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It's a nice idea, but centralized configuration is never a good idea without backups. "Never put all your eggs in one basket"
It should have at least been broken up into multiple (well documented) plain text files so I can attempt to fix specific problems rather than needing to restore all of it.
post #57 of 117
In the interests of trying to nip a potential "trainwreck-thread", can we please not descend into Win v *nix rant?
We know windows is bloated... some nix distros are, too!
We know that we all have our preferences on OS.
We also know that Win7 and (some) nix distros are AMAZINGLY GOOD!
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Windows is bloated : Opinion
Insecure : Yea for the most part.
Isn't customizable : Actually it is
Restricted to x86 : Not for long
Registry is a nightmare : It's actually a thoughtful design but the registry hate goes back to the Windows 98 days. It just doesn't work in it's application. I agree though it needs to be removed.
The customizable part is in reference to the entire OS. You can't build a new Windows kernel to the specifications that you desire, nor can you get different audio systems. You don't have runlevel control, in fact you don't have any control over the entire base system. While you can use hacks, it gets very dirty. All in all you are able to edit and customize linux extremely well when compared to Windows.
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My fresh Win7 install: 20-40 gigs [I think it was closer to 20]
Fresh arch install [GUI and basic programs included] 5-7GB.

Hmm. Well if you do a basic arch install and do a basic KDE, or Gnome I can see that. I haven't wiped my Arch install in while but I believe with a full KDE install(not the basic with a couple programs) it's still pretty big.

Your fresh Win7 install is not close to 40 gigs. Don't exaggerate. My boot partition on my SSD is 24gb. That's with all my basic programs and mail in on it too.

Chrome, Firefox 4 beta 8, Firefox 4 Beta 10, Windows Live essentials, CCC, MSE, Line 6 amps, Malwarebytes, CCleaner, Defraggler, Netbeans 6.9 and 7.0, Netbeans projects, Glassfish 3.0 and 3.1 server, Mysql Server, virtual box(just program), Winrar, Notepad++, Camstudio, Chrome canary, Teamviewer 6, and my Live and Work email is stored(probably around 4gb). I maybe missing a few programs.




What I said:

Can you hot swap GUI's on windows? Can you add a second taskbar?

Well technically you can. You can have extra docks, you can put the windows 7 gui in Windows XP. And besides you can run KDE on Windows no problem.

Really? [honest question]

Yes. Windows 8 will be released for ARM and x86.


It's a nice idea, but centralized configuration is never a good idea without backups. "Never put all your eggs in one basket"

Yes. I agree with this.
I'm not trying to knock Linux. It's a very good OS. Our entire email for my entire company is running on Fedora Core 4. Our web server is running on Slackware. Our mysql server is running on Fedora 9. We have a bunch of other ones but this is our main.
    
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Man the linux fanboys viciously defend their obscure little OS lol. I can't think of a single office or company that uses the linux desktop. So for server side, yeah if you're looking to an IT career I'd say go for it. If not, there is no reason to waste your time unless you just like the fun/challenge of learning something new.
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