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Of course every employee gets the option of what they want their pc running, Windows or Goobuntu, but there must be their takers if they support it in-house.

It would of course be nice to move everyone to a linux desktop and be pretty cool at the same time, but honestly most people are brought up via Windows in their household. The time people get jobs and stuff Windows is burnt into their minds and they for the most part, know how run it.
Ours don't get a choice. Our company paid money for a M$ corporate license, so that's what our employees have to use. It was the same way with another company that I worked for 6 years ago. And none of them complain, cause its what they're used to, cause their little box at home that they've had for 8 years runs windows. And to top it off, they bring me their boxes and have me install the newer version of windows on them. So its what they know, and getting all these people to change to something they don't know and have zero interest in learning would be like trying to pull their teeth with no anesthetic. Its just not going to happen. And all these people are just your basic employees, the types of people you see everywhere you go. So you can pretty much apply their attitude to the rest of the world over.
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I'm in IT networking and in the companies (manufacturing, financial holding company, and currently energy) where I've worked there has not been a large *nix presence. A few appliances that are, but mostly they have a web GUI that isolates you from the CLI. In most cases you don't access the command line unless its broken and are being directed by tech support.

I am for sure a command line kind of guy having grown up on computers pre Windows and I spend my day at Cisco IOS and NX-OS prompts, but *nix skills are not really in my toolbox and I don't consider it a huge disadvantage by any means. It just means I get to sharpen my search skills when I need to do something on one of the handful of Linux devices we have. That, and I make short how-to guides once I figure something out because I do it so rarely I forget.

These have all been publicly traded companies and two of them Fortune 500 and *nix is and has been niche to say the least. Not saying anything about this being representative of the "real world" as a whole but only my corner of it.

For reference, I do hold two professional level Cisco certs (no IE yet, working on it) and a myriad of Microsoft certifications. I have worked in the IT field for 18 years.
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Of course this is purely ignorant, but why learn Linux?
Is it something that could be possible for in a career for software development or hardware? Is it just for having fun learning another OS? Would it be beneficial for me to learn since I am aiming for a career in CCIE and CISSP certifications or anything Oracle database?

Please enlighten me as I have an interest in Linux.
to give you an alternative

being able to use Linux has saved my bacon on several instances when my Windows install has died and i don't have the ability to reinstall due to a scratched / badly burned disk, missing NTLDR, etc.
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I'm in IT networking and in the companies (manufacturing, financial holding company, and currently energy) where I've worked there has not been a large *nix presence. A few appliances that are, but mostly they have a web GUI that isolates you from the CLI. In most cases you don't access the command line unless its broken and are being directed by tech support.

I am for sure a command line kind of guy having grown up on computers pre Windows and I spend my day at Cisco IOS and NX-OS prompts, but *nix skills are not really in my toolbox and I don't consider it a huge disadvantage by any means. It just means I get to sharpen my search skills when I need to do something on one of the handful of Linux devices we have. That, and I make short how-to guides once I figure something out because I do it so rarely I forget.

These have all been publicly traded companies and two of them Fortune 500 and *nix is and has been niche to say the least. Not saying anything about this being representative of the "real world" as a whole but only my corner of it.

For reference, I do hold two professional level Cisco certs (no IE yet, working on it) and a myriad of Microsoft certifications. I have worked in the IT field for 18 years.
Man, told from experience: But the command Line through cisco routers and switches seem like a basic (although simplified) I/O of *nix tho

You would be thinking it would be the same?

Good to know off-hand that MS certs have work good along with cisco certs.
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Boy you couldn't be more wrong, haha. I'm a cisco certified IT networking nut who works for manheim auto auctions. I have multiple "networking" certs and I've been doing it for 14 years. Their whole DFW auction base works because of me. (as well as others of course) So you can take all your little presumptions about someone who has a different opinion than you and just stick right back up the place you pulled them out of. I use 'nix every day for what its good for. Thanks for identifying yourself as the fanboy that you are.




There we go. When google finally takes down M$, this will be how they do it. Or a bigger android.
First off... grats for having a better job than I do, lol

Secondly... I didn't pull anything from "the place"

Thridly (aka Thirdly )... I am not a fanboy by ANY description; I use W7(where appropriate) and Slacky (where appropriate).
I made no presumptions whatsoever in my post---if you find one, please quote it.
Fourthly... so you work for "Manheim"; that's great and I am very happy for you...but, who-the-flick-are-they? something about
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Manheim in the UK offers the widest range of automotive products and services in the motor industry.
Huzzah! Still means nothing to me or my life.



As the reply to me (above yours) stated; (AND I AGREE) *nix desktop !=as-good-as-it-should-be.


However... my statement stands that the vast majority of the net-infrastructure would, quite simply, not be there if it weren't for *nix.Period.EOF


Incidentally, I would politely refer you to the OT: "Linux, why learn?".


The poster had a question, and, I posted an answer.

My post was in no-way intended for anyone to come along and try out-geeking it.


*Nix is great... as is W7. (at the risk of repeating myself).
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Man, told from experience: But the command Line through cisco routers and switches seem like a basic (although simplified) I/O of *nix tho

You would be thinking it would be the same?

Good to know off-hand that MS certs have work good along with cisco certs.
Its similar insofar as its a command line and you pretty much need to know what you're doing or at least have a vague idea to navigate the commands. Debug commands are like that for me Perhaps the NX-OS CLI could be considered more similar.

MS certs are becoming more and more devalued IMO. The tests are historically just too easy plus the amount of less than honorable exam prep guides available make it so that all it takes is enough money and some basic memorization and anyone can be an MCSE. My previous employer placed a high value on certs as a way to compare employees and also to justify raises. I took tests left and right for that one!

Windows 2003 MCSE was the last MS cert I obtained and will most likely be the last.
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Ours don't get a choice. Our company paid money for a M$ corporate license, so that's what our employees have to use. It was the same way with another company that I worked for 6 years ago. And none of them complain, cause its what they're used to, cause their little box at home that they've had for 8 years runs windows. And to top it off, they bring me their boxes and have me install the newer version of windows on them. So its what they know, and getting all these people to change to something they don't know and have zero interest in learning would be like trying to pull their teeth with no anesthetic. Its just not going to happen. And all these people are just your basic employees, the types of people you see everywhere you go. So you can pretty much apply their attitude to the rest of the world over.
I find this misguided.... Considering only a little over 50% of the networking world uses windows, this seems a bit biased. I'm not saying Linux can dominate the Desktop market, too many areas where it has a pitfall. On the other hand, Unix is going out and Linux is taking over the server market. If it goes well we will see over 40% of the networking world use linux, 50% use windows, and whatever small margin between gets thrown into niche markets. Unix is dead as far as networking is concerned, most companies are going to move towards Linux. It's as stable, just as fast, and free.

[edit] And plenty of businesses use *nix in some form. You can also counter-argue with the amount of people who use Droid that Linux for embeded systems is increasing in popularity. Don't forget Apple is Unix based, though now it's a monolithic hybrid kernel.

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Man, told from experience: But the command Line through cisco routers and switches seem like a basic (although simplified) I/O of *nix tho

You would be thinking it would be the same?

Good to know off-hand that MS certs have work good along with cisco certs.
Cisco uses *nix based everything. Everything Cisco does is either based off Unix or being done in Linux now. All their main server platforms are done in RH, all their boxes are done unix style (I think?).
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Windows, why learn remain ignorant?
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I find this misguided.... Considering only a little over 50% of the networking world uses windows, this seems a bit biased. I'm not saying Linux can dominate the Desktop market, too many areas where it has a pitfall. On the other hand, Unix is going out and Linux is taking over the server market. If it goes well we will see over 40% of the networking world use linux, 50% use windows, and whatever small margin between gets thrown into niche markets. Unix is dead as far as networking is concerned, most companies are going to move towards Linux. It's as stable, just as fast, and free.

[edit] And plenty of businesses use *nix in some form. You can also counter-argue with the amount of people who use Droid that Linux for embeded systems is increasing in popularity. Don't forget Apple is Unix based, though now it's a monolithic hybrid kernel.



Cisco uses *nix based everything. Everything Cisco does is either based off Unix or being done in Linux now. All their main server platforms are done in RH, all their boxes are done unix style (I think?).
Server side we do use it. I'm just talking about your average every day office staff. You have to know your users, and my users know windows. They're not computer nuts like us here, so they could give a crap less to learn something new, unfortunately. And, in the end, them having to learn something new would cost our company a boatload in scattered downtime over the course of... however long it took them to learn it. Which would be really long, cause you got slow learners and fast learners. Many were taught windows in school. If I were going to do it, it would have to be a very, very slow integration. Might not be true for everywhere in the world, but like I said you gotta know your users.
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Server side we do use it. I'm just talking about your average every day office staff. You have to know your users, and my users know windows. They're not computer nuts like us here, so they could give a crap less to learn something new, unfortunately. And, in the end, them having to learn something new would cost our company a boatload in scattered downtime over the course of... however long it took them to learn it. Which would be really long, cause you got slow learners and fast learners. Many were taught windows in school. If I were going to do it, it would have to be a very, very slow integration. Might not be true for everywhere in the world, but like I said you gotta know your users.
In my experience, in a work environment where users are locked into the "company way" and only need to run a few applications, all they need to see on a desktop are "Mail" Memos" (often simply an IM or PostIts clone) and one or three job specific apps. They really don't need to find Solitaire or WOW .

I haven't kept track since they signed a deal with Microsoft and went all Enterprise and Windows-y but I suspect it is simply the beginning of integration. See Xandros and pay special attention to "BridgeWays for Microsoft Systems Center". The easiest way to increase profits is not to sell more but to spend less. Windows' days are numbered.
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