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In my experience, in a work environment where users are locked into the "company way" and only need to run a few applications, all they need to see on a desktop are "Mail" Memos" (often simply an IM or PostIts clone) and one or three job specific apps. They really don't need to find Solitaire or WOW .

I haven't kept track since they signed a deal with Microsoft and went all Enterprise and Windows-y but I suspect it is simply the beginning of integration. See Xandros and pay special attention to "BridgeWays for Microsoft Systems Center". The easiest way to increase profits is not to sell more but to spend less. Windows' days are numbered.
That's very true. I know a lot of places will use a locked out linux desktop with only FF running (or variant) for internet terminals. More popular in something like a Coffee shop/Cafe or a college dorm. Though honestly you can do this just the same, put LibreOffice on it, call it quits. Though in defense there are a lot of lacking business apps for Linux, especially when you get into Office and some other things.

If all your doing is database, text, or general office utilities you can generally get this all covered in Linux with nearly the same function. Basically it won't look like Windows but the same apps with the same general configs and the same general locations will be there.

All in all it depends on business and application (how/why it's being run). PhotonFanatic is most likely 100% correct about where he works, and probably a lot of places, but we can change that. I hope we get better office/business utilities.
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You could actually just have it boot up and run firefox or chrome. Right to googledocs. Everyone is suddenly connected and sharing documents lol
    
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All in all it depends on business and application (how/why it's being run). PhotonFanatic is most likely 100% correct about where he works, and probably a lot of places, but we can change that. I hope we get better office/business utilities.
I absolutely agree that this is how things are, but more how they have been. It is changing and gathering inertia. There are posts all over the Webz from businessmen saying "This is what I use everyday and there are no Linux alternatives" and more often than not what they list is covered now or in the process of being covered. As of yet few people using windows feel sufficient motivation to check out alternatives. That, too, is changing...slow but certain. Samples:

AutoCAD? See ProEngineer and other products http://www.ptc.com/

ARCGis? Runs in VirtualBox for the few client side components that don't run natively.

PowerPoint no problem

Skype now runs natively in Linux

Again. Companies exist primarily to make profits. Reducing variable costs is the most effective means of increasing profits. Operating systems and their maintenance (and that is not a one-time expense) is a variable cost and can be considerably reduced with Linux . IMHO It is inevitable.
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It is a good thing to know Linux. If you will ever be working on servers, it is especially good to know CentOS/RHEL. Also, it is just plain fun to learn about and try out different distributions.
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I absolutely agree that this is how things are, but more how they have been. It is changing and gathering inertia. There are posts all over the Webz from businessmen saying "This is what I use everyday and there are no Linux alternatives" and more often than not what they list is covered now or in the process of being covered. As of yet few people using windows feel sufficient motivation to check out alternatives. That, too, is changing...slow but certain. Samples:

AutoCAD? See ProEngineer and other products http://www.ptc.com/

ARCGis? Runs in VirtualBox for the few client side components that don't run natively.

PowerPoint no problem

Skype now runs natively in Linux

Again. Companies exist primarily to make profits. Reducing variable costs is the most effective means of increasing profits. Operating systems and their maintenance (and that is not a one-time expense) is a variable cost and can be considerably reduced with Linux . IMHO It is inevitable.
Right but we don't have anything that compares to Microsoft Office, it's one of the corner stones. It's got a greate package and we don't have anything (yet) that compares. And if we do, it's scattered as opposed to a single package.

Just take Excel alone, we don't have anything close to it's function. MS Office is a major problem, if you want to think of it that way. It's extremely good competition and will be tough to phase out. Until we can either run MS Office on Linux fluently or have a good alternative we will have major issues.
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Right but we don't have anything that compares to Microsoft Office, it's one of the corner stones. It's got a greate package and we don't have anything (yet) that compares. And if we do, it's scattered as opposed to a single package.

Just take Excel alone, we don't have anything close to it's function. MS Office is a major problem, if you want to think of it that way. It's extremely good competition and will be tough to phase out. Until we can either run MS Office on Linux fluently or have a good alternative we will have major issues.
Gnumeric is superior in most every way. It used to be completely compatible with Excel, but it got rid of a bunch bugs in the code ported from excel (bugs that still cause errors in Excel) and added many additional capabilities.
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Gnumeric is superior in most every way. It used to be completely compatible with Excel, but it got rid of a bunch bugs in the code ported from excel (bugs that still cause errors in Excel) and added many additional capabilities.
ahhh I was completely unaware. We still have the problem of not having a software "package" that contains everything Office does. While you have products that are just as good, it's spread out and in different areas. It's just much easier for a system maintainer to grab Office and stick it on a bunch of machines.

I personally believe it's not that hard to build a machine with the same things but I can't argue with single setup situations. =(

[edit] By single setup I mean running the one Office Suite .exe or whatever to install all the office programs, no hassle it's all in one package.
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First off... grats for having a better job than I do, lol

Secondly... I didn't pull anything from "the place"
See your own words a little below. Your own presumptions. So yeah, you did.

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I made no presumptions whatsoever in my post---if you find one, please quote it.
Be happy to. See your own post below where you said that I have zero understanding of blah blah blah. I guess in your mind, my certificates (as proof) and my 14 years experience doing exactly what you said I have no knowledge of, = no understanding? Wow. I have no business arguing with someone like you.

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(black hilite)
Obscure? little?
OK man... take all of the *nix boxes out of the "equation"...

BYE-BYE INTERNET!
Can't think of an office... well, possibly the desktop is not "apparent", but... believe me... the back-office is probably there.

(red-hilite)You clearly have ZERO/nada/zilch/no/nil/nyet understanding of networking/computers-in-general.

(purple-hilite) Please... turn off your computer, unplug it at the wall, sell it on EBay because, in-a-nutshell... you are either a troll, or, you are incredibly stupid/ignorant/asleep/dead-under-a-stone/ (cross-out the non-applicable).


[edit] Nothing "vicious" there... just facts.



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Fourthly... so you work for "Manheim"; that's great and I am very happy for you...but, who-the-flick-are-they? something about Huzzah! Still means nothing to me or my life.
I'm not holding this against you or anything, but judging by this post you've never worked anywhere close to the auto sales business. But if you've bought a used car, ever, it has run through a manheim auction at some time in its life. Not something the average joe would know or care about granted, but its a huge company and there is one near you.


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In my experience, in a work environment where users are locked into the "company way" and only need to run a few applications, all they need to see on a desktop are "Mail" Memos" (often simply an IM or PostIts clone) and one or three job specific apps. They really don't need to find Solitaire or WOW .

I haven't kept track since they signed a deal with Microsoft and went all Enterprise and Windows-y but I suspect it is simply the beginning of integration. See Xandros and pay special attention to "BridgeWays for Microsoft Systems Center". The easiest way to increase profits is not to sell more but to spend less. Windows' days are numbered.
That's a really simple work environment you got there. Of the 3 total places I have worked at, our users needed programs that the linux desktop wouldn't dream of running. Simply because the developers wouldn't dream of creating them for linux. Because 90% of their market is to windows companies. So why should they? Can't blame them there. I know some fanboy will argue, but I'll go ahead and try to preempt that by asking you to name off all the companies that you know of that run a linux distro for the desktop, and then all the ones that won't even fit in a single post that run a version of windows on the desktop. For some reason I get some kind of argument every time I post that fact. And then they try to say that they aren't some kind of linux fanboy. If you don't like being called a fanboy, you're going to have to stop acting like one. I also like how anyone who disagrees or has a different opinion is automatically a 'troll'. Nice.
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Every time I get amped up to learn linux, I just get lazy and say, "why". I tried teaching myself with tutorials and buying Dummies books. I even almost signed up for a class at a community college. I just gotta stop being lazy. I missed out a good promotion at work because I don't know entry level linux. stupid lostcase..
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Every time I get amped up to learn linux, I just get lazy and say, "why". I tried teaching myself with tutorials and buying Dummies books. I even almost signed up for a class at a community college. I just gotta stop being lazy. I missed out a good promotion at work because I don't know entry level linux. stupid lostcase..
Yeah I'm (still) the same way about linux. I just wiped everything and put Ubuntu on it. I keep coming back for more each time I give up. Still a pain for someone relatively fresh to the system. Every command line for each point of installation and path is tedious but keep at it.

My head hurts as I finally got HFM installed after a troubled long time to get it to setup properly.

As for the comment on companies toward OSes. In my opinion, it really is hard for a company to push Linux toward people who aren't tech-savvy as technicians of the field. I'm sure companies that deal with programming such as coder's, R&D companies, and/or developers would have no problem. But lawyers, business firms, or any company that only needs to use a computer just for "excel" is just asking for problems. Half of the linux distros (opinion)isn't user-friendly and could start problems when users that don't know what they are doing screw up and cause downtime for them and the company.
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