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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Laser cut dies have been around for 5+ years.

Of course, there is a "BIOS chip" on board... how is the firmware stored?

Someone already flashed a GTX460 with a GTX560 BIOS.



Do you realize that you are using simplified block diagrams to support your argument? Again, you are using a picture that removes all complexity for presentation purposes.


It would like saying, all analogue radio signals are the same based on this:




The GTX also has more cores and higher clock speed....

Your GTX460 could have gotten 900MHz from just overclocking it.
Please give me a full block diagram of the gpus and i will tell you if it is the same gpu. :-*
post #122 of 331
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
This is like that idiot that came on here a month ago and was asking if he could solder on the extra memory chips on his GTX465 to make it into a GTX470.

You guys need to learn how GPU's are made before you post this kind of nonsense, seriously.
Different story, the memory chips weren't on the board )
post #123 of 331
Why can't we all just settle this and have a fair experiment, some people flash there 460's to 560's and vice versa?

Post benchies and results before and after flashing...

I will even contribute to flashing my card aswell, if i brick it i can flash back due to having two slots and a back-up card.
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Please give me a full block diagram of the gpus and i will tell you if it is the same gpu. :-*
Wow, dude go look them up, the layout is the same, a car engines layout is the same pretty much everywhere, this mean i can unlock a v6 to a v8? No.
    
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Different story, the memory chips weren't on the board )
No its not. It's the same concept. Trying to get something THAT ISN'T THERE to work.
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post #126 of 331
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No its not. It's the same concept. Trying to get something THAT ISN'T THERE to work.
ok ok. i belive you ). So anyone tried to put a gtx 460 bios on a gtx 560 card?
post #127 of 331
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Originally Posted by emreonal69 View Post
I have tried to flashing GTX560 bios to my GTX460, result is; only clock speeds and bios version was changed, stream processor and card name was not changed.
Before update:


After the flashing process:
do you have that backwards?
it looks like your clocks went down after the flash....
post #128 of 331
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
You just proved MY POINT. The flash didn't work. The card is still a GTX460, even after flashing it to a 560. It will not, and CAN NOT work.

If this worked, then people would have flashed 470's into 570's, and 480's into 580's. The PCB is similar, its still Fermi architecture so it must work, right?
Oh the flash worked, it just didn't unlock the shader cluster. You said "have fun bricking your cards" so you proved my point that it didn't. We proved each others points. Happy now?

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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
This is like that idiot that came on here a month ago and was asking if he could solder on the extra memory chips on his GTX465 to make it into a GTX470.

You guys need to learn how GPU's are made before you post this kind of nonsense, seriously.
Soldering memory chips is very different from flashing a BIOS.

As ducky said, the block diagrams are simplified. We'll never get advanced ones because that's giving it away to the competition.

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OOOO try and get over a ghz on stock voltage, haha good luck! And no they have the same voltage, but overclock way farther, you want the core to be the same, but its not, i really do think you still havnt read my last post.
Basically sayin, in caps so maybe youll actually read it, TO ACHIEVE A MUCH HIGHER OVERCLOCK AND STABILITY WITH THE SAME VOLTAGE, OBVIOUSLY NIVIDIA DID SOMETHING TO INCREASE AND TWEAK THE CORE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND STABLE, you fool, look at i7's, C0 VS D0, or AMDS C2/C3 REVISIONS. GET THE TERM *REVISIONS*
Yet with different revisions the chip is still the same chip. Yes it has been tweaked. But it works on the same BIOS. All that has changed is the TDP, and however they did that will never be known because releasing advanced charts on CPU/GPU architecture is like giving it to the competition on a golden plate.

It's impossible to get 1GHz out of a GTX 460 on stock voltage, but remember that voltages vary between individual cards. My Palit GTX 460 (sonic platinum) came at 800/1600/2000 with a voltage of 1026mv. My XFX 460 came at stock gtx 460 clocks of 675/1350/1800 at 1000mv exactly.

Upping the voltage to 1025mv, here's the result:



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do you have that backwards?
it looks like your clocks went down after the flash....
Stock clocks of the 460 are 675/1350/1800. His card came overclocked or he overclocked it himself. Stock GTX 560 clocks are 820/1640/2004 IIRC

So if his card was at stock, flashing it to a 560 BIOS would yield better performance due to the increase in clocks. And I bet that he could increase the clocks with the 560 BIOS to what he had before without a problem.

I am keen to see some GTX 560 overclocking results, going as far as possible without increasing the voltage.

EDIT: Also note I'm using the "GTX 560" drivers, 266.66 with a modded INF that someone posted the other day.
Edited by linkin93 - 1/27/11 at 8:11am
post #129 of 331
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Originally Posted by AK-47 View Post
do you have that backwards?
it looks like your clocks went down after the flash....
He probably has a superclocked 460 but flashed it with a stock 560 bios.
Edited by N3C14R - 1/27/11 at 8:12am
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post #130 of 331
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Why can't we all just settle this and have a fair experiment, some people flash there 460's to 560's and vice versa?

Post benchies and results before and after flashing...

I will even contribute to flashing my card aswell, if i brick it i can flash back due to having two slots and a back-up card.
Several have already done this, and it didnt work, but some people refuse to beleive that they did it right or whatever, they are ignoring the obvious and then telling us that we are wrong, my side (me pioneer and duckie) have given alot of proof on how these gpus are not identical, yet you have submitted none, you have the lost, its not going to work
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