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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
No, the GF104 absolutely has an extra block... but it has been disabled to meet yields.




I worked for EVGA up until a few months ago.
Is this the proof then? You worked for EVGA? Surely I'm not the only one wanting more evidence to back you up.

Not saying I don't believe you, its just that so far no real proof has been provided IN THIS THREAD.

I can understand why they would do it though.
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post #192 of 331
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lol so you are chatting with some random Indian that has an english translator and a FAQ database with automated responses?

You would need to contact the engineering department(somehow) for the answer, not a technical support representative. Maybe they can forward your request over but I doubt they will.

I would contact EVGA because they have great support, and go to their engineers for answers all the time. Submit a support ticket with them and you will get answers.
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
No, the GF104 absolutely has an extra block... but it has been disabled to meet yields. Without knowing for sure (which I do), you can tell the counts of the ROP, shaders, and cores.




I worked for EVGA up until a few months ago.
I don't have an EVGA product to use support for. I have also submitted a ticket with XFX asking whether the cluster is laser cut or disabled via another way (BIOS or w/e)

Here is the current chat log from nvidia live support:

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Srivathsa: Hi, my name is Srivathsa. How may I help you?
Adrian ****: Hello.
Srivathsa: Hello Adrian,
Adrian ****: I am curious to know whether the 8th shader cluster in the GTX 460 has been laser cut during manufacturing or disabled via another method
Adrian ****: As far as I am aware, the GTX 560 has all 8 clusters enabled, but the 460 has one diabled
Adrian ****: People are wondering whether flashing their 460 with a 560's BIOS will unlock the extra cluster
Adrian ****: Can you confirm whether the cluster has been disabled or not?
Adrian ****: Laser cut, not disabled, sorry.
Srivathsa: I apologize, please give me a minute to check this with the supervisor, meanwhile let me know is this the card purchased at best buy stores?
Adrian ****: I am in Australia, we do not have best buy here. I purchased my card from an online store. I can wait while you check with your supervisor
Srivathsa: Thank you
Srivathsa: V-BIOS is actually provided by the board manufacturer of the graphic cards. We are chipset manufacturers
Srivathsa: Please let us know, what is the tool that you are using to check the shaders
Srivathsa: I mean, tool to access V-BIOS
Adrian ****: Of course. All I seek to know is whether the 8th cluster on the GTX 460 GPU die itself has bee laser cut, it is obviously not active, other wise the card would have 384 shaders instead of 336. Perhaps this link will help? http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4...7542090jpg.jpg - The tool I am using is called GPU-Z, made by CPUID
Srivathsa: This may take some time to research, however, have you tried contacting your graphic card manufacturer like one among PNY, XFX, EVGA etc
Adrian ****: I can do that while you research, this card is made by XFX.
Adrian ****: I have created a ticket with XFX support, they have no live support, so is the anything you can tell me so far?
post #193 of 331
people are saying that nvidia has never had GPUs that can unlock cores, 465-> 470 anyone?

will be flashing a 560 bios to mine once I unlock voltage control to 1.212 like my current BIOS

it was always known that the 460 was based off of a 384 shader die, so I don't see why it is so farfetched to be able to use those cores that we know are there, and we know nvidia didnt laser cut (because laser cutting is a myth in the entire industry, not just nvidia, ati, amd)
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post #194 of 331
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Originally Posted by Juliancahillane View Post
i want the 560 hawk bios

And honestly anyone who really doent understand why I think thiscould work need their head examined. Your just uneducated and have lived a shelterd life lol
What difference does the cooler make on the BIOS you're using? Seriously, use your freaking head. The difference between the MSI Hawk and say, a reference eVGA card is the vendor ID, and the cooler. That's it.

So grab one of those BIOS's from TechPowerup I linked you. Open NiBiTor, change the Vendor ID to MSI, and be done with it. Presto....MSI Hawk BIOS!

I could change my Asus into an eVGA right now if I wanted to. It's a simple change of the Vendor ID.

However changing things that CANNOT be changed, such as the shader count....is not something you can do. Which you still don't seem to understand.

But seriously, if you want an MSI Hawk BIOS, then download one of the other BIOS's and change the vendor on it.
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So my question being - since I don't have time to read through 20 pages of nonsense - how does the 460 know if it is a 460 if they are the same as a 560? If it were in the programming then, flashing the chips bios with the updated programming, it would think it was a 560...

My 465 wasn't confused at all when I flashed it with 470 software because it is the same chip, people who have non reference 465's with a different chip, well, the 470 software doesn't work because they are different chips
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So my question being - since I don't have time to read through 20 pages of nonsense - how does the 460 know if it is a 460 if they are the same as a 560? If it were in the programming then, flashing the chips bios with the updated programming, it would think it was a 560...

My 465 wasn't confused at all when I flashed it with 470 software because it is the same chip, people who have non reference 465's with a different chip, well, the 470 software doesn't work because they are different chips
The simple difference between a 460 and 560 is that the 460 has stuff physically disabled that even a bios flash would be impossible to enable.
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Srivathsa: I apologize, with the details provided, we found that this is entirely dependent only on V-BIOS and also would affect the graphic card if the BIOS pertaining to GTX 560 card on GTX 460 card.
I'm probably only getting my hopes up. If you're certain EVGA will give me a straight answer I'll go and ask them.
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So my question being - since I don't have time to read through 20 pages of nonsense - how does the 460 know if it is a 460 if they are the same as a 560? If it were in the programming then, flashing the chips bios with the updated programming, it would think it was a 560...

My 465 wasn't confused at all when I flashed it with 470 software because it is the same chip, people who have non reference 465's with a different chip, well, the 470 software doesn't work because they are different chips
The early 465's were a BIOS locked 470. Yes, this is true. And look at how long it took people to realize this. It was found out BEFORE release day even. The reason why (my guess) was because Nvidia hadn't finalized the real 465 core yet, so they just had the vendors flash the 465 BIOS (that was already ready) onto some of their 470 cards so they could meet demand on release day.

If what the OP is suggesting was possible, we would have known about it 6 months or longer ago (however long ago the 460 was released), because SOMEBODY would have unlocked it by now. The fact that the 460 is already old news, tells me that it CANNOT be done...because it WOULD HAVE been done already.
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The early 465's were a BIOS locked 470. Yes, this is true. And look at how long it took people to realize this. It was found out BEFORE release day even. The reason why (my guess) was because Nvidia hadn't finalized the real 465 core yet, so they just had the vendors flash the 465 BIOS (that was already ready) onto some of their 470 cards so they could meet demand on release day.

If what the OP is suggesting was possible, we would have known about it 6 months or longer ago (however long ago the 460 was released), because SOMEBODY would have unlocked it by now. The fact that the 460 is already old news, tells me that it CANNOT be done...because it WOULD HAVE been done already.
lol I know bro, I'm agreeing with you, the OP said that there was some sort of "hidden code" in the 560 bios to not enable the cores if flashed on a 460, but how would it know if it were a 460 or not if they were the same chip? It's because they aren't.

My 465 is a basis that sure if they are the same chip, the chip has no idea if it was a 465 or a 470, its just dependent on the software or bios, where as the later 465s were different chips, so they couldn't flash with 470 software to enable more shades / cores / memory.
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I don't have an EVGA product to use support for. I have also submitted a ticket with XFX asking whether the cluster is laser cut or disabled via another way (BIOS or w/e)

Here is the current chat log from nvidia live support:
GPU-Z is made by TechPowerUp not CPUID.
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